The Democrat dream: Obama and Clinton together in the White House

The democratic blogosphere hasn’t given up on the idea of an Obama – Clinton ‘Dream ticket’; an agreement between the two candidates that would steamroll over the Republicans. Having an Afro-American and a woman as president and vice president is certainly a dream for Democrat activists, but could it be a dream come true?


The democratic blogosphere hasn't given up on the idea of an Obama - Clinton ‘Dream ticket'; an agreement between the two candidates that would steamroll over the Republicans. Having an Afro-American and a woman as president and vice president is certainly a dream for Democrat activists, but could it be a dream come true?

"Forget an Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama ticket"

From Roland S.Martin

Democrats across the country are abuzz over the possibility of the "dream ticket" featuring Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama running for the White House in November.

In the words of one of "The Sopranos" characters, "Fuggetaboutit!"

Look, this might sound exciting and history-making to have a woman and an African-American competing against the Republicans, but there are multiple reasons why this won't happen.

1. Clinton will not be overshadowed by an underling. Clinton is hugely popular in Democratic circles, but truth be told, that pales in comparison to the love and affection showered on Obama. This is a guy who brings people to tears just by speaking, and attracts folks on the left, right and the disenfranchised.

When you have the children of elected officials putting pressure on their parents (Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill is one example.) to support this guy, you know he is touching people in a place others haven't in 40 years. The role of a VP is to be supportive of a presidential candidate, not someone who overshadows them.

2. Obama would not want to carry Clinton baggage. He has offered a vision of change, and having to answer for the years of strife under the Clintons would be too much. It would make sense to have a fresh face serving as his vice president who doesn't engender anger among some in the Democratic Party, and definitely the GOP. An Obama run would be about going after Republicans and independents, and Clinton being on the ticket would make that very difficult.

3. Way too much bad blood between these two during this campaign. A lot of folks say that George Bush rankled Ronald Reagan by declaring his economic plan "voodoo economics." That didn't keep Reagan from adding Bush to the ticket. But Bush was one of these loyal guys who would have done anything for the party ... and himself. I don't see that for Clinton and Obama.

Sure, their attacks on one another are what you expect in a campaign, but it's got very personal. Obama says she is a return to the "politics of old," and that doesn't bring a smile to her face. The race-baiting Southern Strategy used by former President Bill Clinton and the surrogates of Sen. Clinton have absolutely angered Obama's camp. There is too much blood on the floor, and you just don't forget that.

4. Being No. 2 is unthinkable for Clinton. She went through the behind-the-scenes battles with Al Gore when he was her husband's vice president. She's not interested in second fiddle and doesn't want to have to fight to be on the stage. For her, it's all or nothing. She's also 60, and being VP to Obama means that if he wins two terms, she'll be 68 running for the highest office in the land. It's not outside the realm of possibility, but she'll have to confront the sceptics who are snipping at the heels of Sen. John McCain, claiming he's too old.

5. Obama doesn't want to be an LBJ. When Lyndon Baines Johnson was the vice president under President John F. Kennedy, he was ostracized and marginalized because of the influence of Robert F. Kennedy. With Bill Clinton serving as counsellor to a President Hillary Clinton, Obama would be on the outside looking in. He knows the likelihood of him doing anything of substance and having influence in a Clinton administration.

When asked if he wanted to be her VP, former Democratic candidate Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware said competing with Bill Clinton isn't his cup of tea. Some would say that serving as VP two terms under Clinton would give Obama administrative experience, and he would be 54 when he could run, but I just don't buy it.

Now, as a way out, I would expect to see these two on a ticket only if Clinton is the nominee and they run the numbers and determine that the best chance of winning would be with him. She wants to be president that bad and would discount the bad blood. Then they would hope he accepted or accepts it.

I just don't see any of it happening. This might be seen as a dream ticket, but it is not a match made in heaven."

Originally posted here

The Dream Ticket song

"Obama would gain from the experience as vice president"

From Michael Pushard

I do believe that being able to have Mr Obama on the ticket as Vice President is truly historic and would represent a major shift in our country politically. Mr Obama is a great speaker and motivator with a sufficient background and education to fill that position. With some time and experience in that position, he could be counted on to lead the country. With Hillary and Barack together, we could get things done and turn our path around before it's too late. We have huge problems to face after the Bush era; it will take a united country and people who can direct it.

I will vote and support either combination fully even though I would prefer Hillary at the top spot. I look forward to attending the state convention as a party member for the first time. I will be working in the Hartland area to promote our candidates."

Originally posted here

"Clinton would be the perfect vice president"

From our Observer Dana Blankenhorn.

Might Obama "blow up" as President, become a fool, make stupid mistakes? I really don't think so, because it's obvious he listens to moderate voices, and generally makes moderate choices. Give him a Vice President like Mrs. Clinton - detailed, driven, organized - and you've got something pretty amazing."

Originally posted here

“If Obama became vice president his brand would be destroyed”

From Mick Stockinger.

If Obama takes the leading role in the ticket, it's essentially the end of Hillary Clinton's career. The soonest she could run again would be in 2016, when she'd be 68 years old. My guess is that Hillary won't improve with age.

If Hillary is at the top of the ticket, Obama would be VP with Bill Clinton in the house. He might want to have a private chat with Al Gore to get an idea of how well that went. Obama is running well now because in spite of the fact that he's a U.S. senator, his political brand is "new politics". As Hillary's VP, his brand would be destroyed. The best he could do would be "Bill Clinton's fifth term", or the "second black president". Suddenly, going back to the Senate, or running for governor of Illinois, is looking very attractive. You just can't wash that smell off when you're a Clinton man. (...)

My guess is that this deal can't be made."

Originally posted here

Analysis from a journalist at the website The Politico