Chinese web users give Sarkozy a roasting

 

After postponing his meeting with the Dalai Lama several times, Nicolas Sarkozy will finally meet the Tibetan spiritual leader on Saturday, Dec. 5, in Gdansk, Poland.

Relations between China and France have reached a new low as the controversial meeting with the Dalai Lama approaches. His rendezvous on Thursday with the European Parliament already stirred up trouble, with Beijing taking the event as an opportunity to warn the EU against jeopardising commercial relations with China.

For the Chinese blogosphere, the affront comes not so long after their outrage over the disruption of the Olympic torch relay in Paris. This time, bloggers are not only targeting French companies, but also enjoying poking fun at the country's president.

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Sarkozy, the Dalai Lama's baby

"Sarkozy is actually the Dalai Lama's son" posted on Sina.com.

The Dalai Lama: "I'm very happy in France with my son and my wife".

Sarkozy: "I'm seeing Daddy, and it's got nothing to do with you!"

Carla Bruni: "My son is young, he doesn't know what he's saying. Please excuse him".

A call to boycott French products (again)

Posted on 191 bbs.com, a farmers' forum:

The title of the discussion: "If 1.3 million Chinese people get into an angry sweat, maybe it could flood Sarkozy"

Posted by "Melody":

Boycotting French products is back - Sarkozy has finally got China into a rage. This time, we won't only boycott Carrefour, but all French products. Could you pass this message on to everyone, to show how powerful 1.3 billion Chinese people are!"

On China.com:

 

The endless list of French products to be boycotted. Posted on the China.com forum.

Corsica, surprise guest in the debate

On China.com:

Discussion title: "Great! China's postponed the EU-China summit because of Sarkozy's meeting with the Dalai Lama". A huge 416,393 people visited the forum, and 13,768 of them showed their support in written form.  

Amongst the reactions, this caricature of the Dalai Lama:

Posted on China.com.

Another webuser posted this comment here:

I propose that the Chinese government invites the leader of the 'Free Corsica' movement to visit China."

"The Chinese counterattack is only natural"

A web user's analysis posted on the huanqiu.com forum:

Discussion title: "Has China gone too far with its reactions against France?"

Of course not. The Tibet problem is an internal problem to China, and nobody should interfere. For a long time the West has used the Tibet issue to criticise democratic standards and human rights in China. Merkel and Carla Bruni have met the Dalai Lama. But within the EU, they don't all agree. The UK, for example, has recently shifted position - now saying that it recognises Tibet as a part of China.

 

The decision by the Chinese government to postpone the EU-China summit shows that China won't accept foreign intervention in internal affairs under any pretext, and that we're 100% capable of resolving our problems ourselves. The decisions Sarkozy's taken will only have negative consequences for France, and many French intellectuals realise it - especially at this time of world economic crisis. He might have gained support from inside France, but this will have a hugely negative effect on Franco-Chinese relations.

Sarkozy wants to become the next Koizimi [former Japanese prime minister who caused tensions with China by visiting the graves of Second World War criminals], and the Chinese counterattack is only natural."

"The government gives a ridiculous amount of media coverage to the Tibet problem"

Cai Chongguo is a specialist in Chinese social ills. He lives in Paris and is the author of L'envers de la Puissance. His blog.

The Chinese government still thinks that the Tibet issue can stir up and maintain a nationalist fury, and cement the Chinese people, when in fact they've never been so divided and discontent is rising. The separation between authority and people, it seems, has already been consummated.

I haven't seen such strained circumstances since 1989: this year we've seen the riots in Wenan, the powdered milk scandal, the daily riots over the Olympic Games... And online, the net is constantly spreading out insults and jokes about politicians.

In response to all this, the government gives a ridiculous amount of media coverage to the Tibet problem. For the first time, as far as I can remember, they held a press conference about talks with the Dalai Lama's representatives; two days later Xinhua wrote a story about it. And on the 26th and 28th of November, a government spokesperson made two announcements about the cancelling of the EU-China summit.

The Chinese government would have liked to heighten conflicts with France and the EU. The problem with that is the economic crisis. Even with the 4,000 million Yuan rescue plan and the banks' spectacular interest rate falls, the Chinese stock market hasn't responded very well. And we really don't need international tension when 60% of our economy relies on world commerce."

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Monk Madness

An open letter to Tsering, a monk at Sera Monastery

Dear Tsering,

I hope this letter find you well and happy. I'm responding to recent comments you made on Tenzin Peljor's blog 'refuting' the points made by Shugden practitioners on various Western Shugden Society websites.

In general, I find your letter to be defensive and high in accusatory rhetoric but low in references and logic that refute these claims by the Western Shugden Society. Just saying that someone is wrong does not make them wrong, and just saying that someone is right does not make them right. This is the main problem with the Dalai Lama's claims about Dorje Shugden for example – everyone believes him although he has provided no actual evidence. Such blind belief is not acceptable in Western countries where we like to examine evidence and think for ourselves. This also used to be the case for Gelugpas in the Tibetan tradition in previous times. Sadly, now, the Dalai Lama's word is truth and law and not questioned by most (not that they have any power if they disagree.)

You have provided no evidence to refute the points made by the Western Shugden Society. For example, with respect to the Dalai Lama coming from a Muslim village, Taktser, the only thing you say is:

Moreover, by calling Taktser, the hamlet in Amdo Kubum where His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama was born, as a Chinese Muslim village is implying that the area belonged to China, thus flagrantly contradicting the historical facts and holding out the historically Tibetan area to PRC.

If I understand you correctly, the only thing you are refuting is that Taktser is Chinese. It is agreed that at the time when the Dalai Lama was discovered, the village was, indeed, in Tibet. However, you have not given any evidence to refute that the Dalai Lama is from a Muslim village and family, so I can only assume that you accept this as true.

I'm personally not familiar with the booklet you quoted, 'Expressing the Ocean of Truth'. You say it is an anonymous publication, but, if so, that is hardly surprising. You cannot be unaware that if someone in feudal Tibetan society speaks out against the Dalai Lama, they can put themselves in grave personal danger. For example, it is well known that the 9th Panchen Lama had to flee Tibet in 1924 in fear of his life for having offended the 13th Dalai Lama. Gunthang Tsultrim was shot in 1976, allegedly for opposing the Dalai Lama's plans to unite all four schools of Tibetan Buddhism under him. Such retribution for opposing the Dalai Lama is well known. Tibet was no Shangri-la and certainly no democracy. There are many bloody tales of revenge in Tibetan history.

You attribute this book to Shugden practitioners, but on what evidence? This is like the TGIE accusing Shugden practitioners of murdering Ven Lobsang Gyatso and his assistants while providing no evidence. Shugden practitioners have been providing a useful scapegoat for the Dalai Lama and his followers for everything that goes wrong in Tibetan society, and congruent with that is the fact that anyone who dares criticize the Dalai Lama is immediately assumed to be a Shugden practitioner and/or the PRC! However, it is clear that it is not just Shugden practitioners who are critical of the Dalai Lama and unhappy with the direction he has taken, both secular and religious. There are documents and articles written by Tibetans that are implicitly, if not explicitly, critical of the Dalai Lama. The Mongoose Canine letter is explicitly critical, but there is also a growing amount of implied criticism on the Internet.

For example, there are many now who recognise the need for a genuine democratic system of government for the Tibetan people, and they aren't getting it. In an article about the separation of religion and politics, Samten Karmay says:

The separation of church and state does not imply abandoning the practice of the established religion. Far from it, it secures freedom of religious exercise and therefore the right of personal choice whether one wishes to practice a religion or not.

Freedom of religious exercise is clearly not what the Dalai Lama wants. He faces a dilemma because if he allows a truly democratic Tibetan society, he will no longer be able to dictate a ban on Dorje Shugden practice. It's probably for this and many other reasons that it's unlikely that there will be be true democracy in Tibetan society while he has power.

Samten Karmay concludes:

A secularization of the exiled community should contribute towards solving the unending sectarian problems and lead to true unity amongst the Tibetan people, without any further religious interference in the political domain.

In banning the practice of Dorje Shugden and making laws to prohibit it, we can see TGIE's political interference in the religious domain – but they are fulfilling the Dalai Lama's wishes. Samten Karmay's solution is to separate 'church and state' as a means of eliminating sectarianism, not banning the practice of Dorje Shugden, although to be fair he clearly agrees with the Dalai Lama's view.

You also say:

The second unjustifiable allegation that the pro-Shugden has made in their writings is about the visit of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The writers in the same website, says that the monks in Sera and Ganden are not happy with the visit of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. It further claims that the monks are wary of His Holiness again speaking on the "Shugden issue" and inspiring "provocation."

This assertion of the Shugden supporters are absolutely untrue. The visit, first of all, is heartily welcomed by all Tibetans from all walks of lives, including the monks of Sera monastery barring few handfuls of Shugden supporters. We as a monk community, feel it very fortunate to once again be in the presence of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and to blessed by his kindness and benevolence. And by saying so, I also meant many of those who follow Shugden propitiation, if their claims of respecting His Holiness are not mere empty words.

This clearly shows that you're not a Shugden practitioner and have no idea what suffering they're going through. You're completely out of touch with reality on this one, but that's hardly surprising since Shugden and non-Shugden monks are now segregated in the monasteries and encouraged to have nothing to do with each other. You don't even know the people you're living next to.

I personally find it amazing that, even though Tibetan Shugden practitioners are suffering because of the Dalai Lama's actions, they still find it in their hearts to love him. This is a testament to their spiritual realizations. The monks are apprehensive about his coming visit because it was the Dalai Lama's visit to the monasteries in January 2008 that re-ignited the bad feeling over the Shugden Issue and the subsequent 'referendum' that met no standards of democracy and that split the monasteries. It is the Dalai Lama himself who is causing all this suffering and disharmony due to his fanatical pursuance of his self-made policy of banning Shugden worship. He will not leave things alone, so of course the monks are afraid of his next visit. You can love your mother while at the same time knowing that because of her anger or mental illness she will still beat you. These monks are in a similar predicament. How can they be happy when the Dalai Lama himself said:

Recently monasteries have fearlessly expelled Shugden monks where needed. I fully support their actions. I praise them. If monasteries find taking action hard, tell them Dalai Lama is responsible for this.

The monks obviously fear that after the Dalai Lama's next visit, at best they will be put under more pressure to give up their practice and at worst they will be homeless. Knowing this, would you look forward to his visit, Tsering? You have security because you either never engaged in the practice of Dorje Shugden or you have renounced it. Can you imagine how it feels for a Buddhist monk to have their security threatened by their ordaining Master and Buddhist Elder simply because they refused to renounce their Protector practice that they took a commitment to do? They are keeping their spiritual commitments to their Spiritual Guides, and the Dalai Lama is not! It beggars belief. The Dalai Lama acts more and more like someone who's become an irrational control freak – who, under his power, would not be afraid? The Dalai Lama should be a refuge and protector of others, not an unpredictable threat.

This goes to show how crazy this situation is – it's the complete opposite of what it should be. Your complete lack of empathy for the Shugden monks displays your single minded devotion to the Dalai Lama and your lack of understanding of what he's doing to them. Why should the Shugden monks fear a famous Buddhist Teacher who preaches love, compassion, tolerance and acceptance unless he isn't practising what he's preaching? This is sad, but true.

It's laudable that the Dalai Lama is coming to the monasteries to grant ordination to those who could not afford to travel to Dharamsala, but how many of those would-be monks will be Shugden practitioners? The answer is “none” because he refuses to ordain anyone who practises Shugden. Denying ordination to those who practise Shugden unless they give up their practice is yet another despicable method of control.

Then you say:

Thirdly, whereas the retaliating against the actions of Shugden supporters is concerned, it would have been done a long time back if it were not His Holiness the Dalai Lama's advice to His followers to observe restraint.

The Dalai Lama started this problem and I don't see any restraint from his side. There was no restraint when he split the monasteries this year, precipitating the formation of the Western Shugden Society, their letter and demonstrations against the Dalai Lama's ban. Can't you see that the Dalai Lama is the one responsible for fomenting all this conflict and misery?

Please quote passages from his speeches where he said not to harm Shugden practitioners. Let's see some evidence. Rather, there is evidence for the opposite:

Recently monasteries have fearlessly expelled Shugden monks where needed. I fully support their actions. I praise them. If monasteries find taking action hard, tell them Dalai Lama is responsible for this. Shugden followers have resorted to killing and beating people. They start fires. And tell endless lies. This is how the Shugden believe. It is not good.

These are terrible falsehoods. Shugden practitioners of course have done none of these things. Does this sound like the Dalai Lama is really trying to create harmony between Shugden and non-Shugden Tibetans?! Are the Wanted Posters in Southern India, Dharamasala and even New York -- giving the addresses and photographs of Dorje Shugden practitioners -- encouraging restraint? On the contrary, they are there to encourage violence. The recent mob at the New York demonstrations did not seem to be showing any restraint. It was only due to the quick thinking and action of the New York Police in evacuating the demonstrators that a riot was averted. There are suspicions that this near riot was incited to teach the demonstrators a lesson.

In comments on a Tricyle blog, one Tibetan said:

Therefore you NKT/WSS people ought to be careful––New Yorkers are restrained compared to the reception you may get if you persist in staging media stunts in future, if you get thrashed, you may regret not heeding this tip.

In the 1990s, the Dalai Lama himself refused to acknowledge that wanted posters existed or that Dorje Shugden practitioners were being harmed. This is from the Swiss TV Documentary in 1998:

Reporter: Why don't you simply advise people not to worship the deity Dorje Shugden and instruct others to be tolerant and avoid violence towards those who continue to worship it?

Dalai Lama: Nobody harming! Nobody harming on them!

Reporter: But I've seen the calls for violence in the newspapers

Dalai Lama: No, no, no

Reporter: I've seen it with my own eyes

Dalai Lama: No, I think rumors!

How could the Dalai Lama deny what the reporter had personally witnessed? How stupid does he think people are? This is denial, not advising restraint -- he is simply denying that there is violence because it would destroy his reputation.

You conclude by saying:

The recent Special General Meeting in mid November that saw the representation of all walks of lives of the Tibetan people, reaffirmed the supreme leadership of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, and therefore, harping otherwise by few handful of Shugden supporters would do nothing good except distancing themselves from the mainstream Tibetan society.

I doubt that you are in touch with the thoughts of all your own countrymen and women. In her blog, a Tibetan woman called 'Mountain Phoenix' says of the meeting:

This meeting could have been both special and historic, if we had taken the bold and painful step that I believe is unavoidable: To allow the Dalai Lama to retire into the religious sphere, and set the stage for the separation of religion and politics.

Are you going to characterise all critics of the Dalai Lama's approach as Shugden-worshipping-Chinese-sympathisers? This is lazy and wrong and it prevents the Dalai Lama from seeing that there are many Tibetans who disagree with his stance on both political and religious issues. The comments from Tibetans on the Samten Karmay article are unanimously supportive of a separation of religion and politics, so there are many who disagree with you concerning the 'supreme leadership of His Holiness'.

I'd like to say that, despite refuting your obvious wrong claims, I personally have no interest in Tibetan politics. My only interest is the religious freedom of Shugden practitioners. I wish all Shugden practitioners to be able to practise free from slander or persecution by the Dalai Lama.

On Behalf of Concerned Dorje Shugden Practitioners in Europe and India

(The author first offered this open letter to Tenzin Peljor's comments section (on his anti-Shugden website, Western Shugden Society Unlocked), but Tenzin Peljor declined to post it. He claimed that Tsering had sent his letter originally to this blog, but we never received anything from Tsering.)

I pray this nightmare is quick.
Chattel is all Dalia considers his brethern to be in the end. He is content to allow the sheep follow him wherever he wishes.His lastest joke of assembling the herd to represent some type of concensus or democratic process assembly was disgusting.The Tibetans are as ususal are without a clue whatsoever as to the ruse they willingly take part in is but a charade. If even 1% of them understand the difference between religion and politics would be a generous assesment of their dilemma.
For myself, I find his TGIE no better than the Italian Mafia Costra Nostra Brotherhood. I see nothing other than threats and intimidation to control others. The Dalia lama is a 'Dick' and appears to be just as the head Mafia Boss.Just like a Mafioso. Perhaps the Indian Government will issue Justice to those who violate her Constitution, like the Dalia and his side kick, Samdung have
done by violated others Freedom to Believe as they choose,and not as they dictate? Dalia Lama is quite simply a Dictator. No worse nor better than any other Dictator in history.

http://rabbirami.blogspot.com/2008/08/whats-up-shug-dalai-lama-vs-dorje....

December 17, 2008 10:15 PM
Thom said...
Bokyi Bangchen (Tibetan Newspaper

2008-12-27, Dharamshala
Page: 8
Except:
Dawa Sangpo, the disciplinarian of Gaden Jantse monastery said to the reporter: “As for the past years, there were many who attended Jamyang Gunchoe (Winter Debate Session); however no good quality was there because of the integration of Dholgyal worshippers and non-worshippers. Then, His Holiness the Dalai Lama came here and gave profound instructions; accordingly the monasteries voluntarily complied with the diktat; and have separated moustache and mouth. Therefore we all are comfortable now.”

“Three great seats, Tashilunpu, Rathoe, and Upper and lower tantric college; these monasteries have attended before. This time, we have additional attendee, such as Dhakpo Dratsang, Namgyal Daktsang, Zonkhar choede, and Drikung Kagyu from other tradition. Not only that, it was successful in terms of the discussion on how to study together, disciplinarian and behaviors and so on. In future, we have strong hope that all Sakya, Kyagyu, Nyingma, Gelug, and Bonpo would come and attend together”

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Bodkyi Bangchen
Dharamshala, Edition 205

December 3, 2008

The warning that overpowers the dark side of the Three Realms, self-voice of truth which reveal nakedly the self-embarrassment of the enemy who ambush Tibetan religion and politics.

Written by some interested persons including Thupten Choepel

With our own eyes, we are observing the time of life and death matter where Tibetan religion and polices including Tibetan nationals are on the verge of extinction. This gloomy predicament was not occurred without a cause, nor simply due to the invasion by China; it is also not that there is lack of the sufficient instruction of the qualified gurus and deities; and nor something taken place suddenly. However, this is a repercussion of negligence, backward, and many unfavorable conditions in many ways. The most serious one is the Dholgyal issue. Three Great Seats took vast responsibility and acted according to the pros and cons, which resulted in the exceptional modification of Buddhism. Yet the issue remaining in the history should be made clear regarding white should be white, and so as the black. The first step [for this] should be initiated by the Three Great seats: It is common knowledge that one confrontation by the monastery is successful then hundred of confrontation carried out by others. And I view that China, Dholgyal, and Dholgyal society are equal in creating obstacle to Tibetan religion and politic.
Here I explain you the brief activities of Dholgyal society incidentally, introduction to the origin of Dholgyal, few examples of the account of the false deity, the evil demon who posed detrimental to Buddhism and living beings; and that Kyabje Denying (Pabongkha) was cheated by the evil demon is - a big source of traiting living beings and Buddhism
Dholgyal society, which stands in opposition to His Holiness Dalai Lama, Tibetan government in exile and Tibetan public, was founded in 1996. Within one or two years they spread letters and statements in the community that their stand is consistent with the monasteries of three great seats. This resulted in many conflicts in the community. So in 1998 the top-level monks of monasteries including three great seats said that they would directly go on the path of His Holiness, which is a common stand of Gelugpa; and they [top-level monks] did announcement that one should not be misled by false statements from Dholgyal society. Thus, the naked ass of Dholgyal society’s false declarations busted out. They were not able to tolerate, and they again raised their evil voice that the Dalai Lama and his few cronies have no authority to decide on the matters of Gelug tradition. They, continually, went deeper. “During this year Olympic game, [they] had plans to launch campaigns”, the word spread in the community. Therefore the student monks of the three great seats have voiced their aspirations that the constitution should be implemented accordingly. His Holiness gave instruction about the necessity of decision in Drepung monastery. Therefore, in January 2008, the majority of three Great Seats gave their consent to the charter that was formulated in 1998. At that time they [shugden society] have published a letter contained 15 points, saying that the manner of taking decision went against the democratic norm, and that they would not agree. Their wish was in vain at last: they brought to the court His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Tibetan government in exile with groundless allegations. Furthermore, they have engaged in undermining the prestige of His Holiness in many foreign countries. The slogan, both in word and language, of those who under pretext of the evil demon is: “His Holiness has deprived their religious freedom and human rights; His Holiness is lying.” These actions are despicable, but there is nothing to be shocked since they have duties given by China and commitment abetted by Dholgyal. What we should be surprised is, be it an abbot or a lama of monastery who claims we should comply with the words of His Holiness, if [any of them] find excuse during the critical time of religio-political interest of Tibet. If such a person says we should unswervingly follow the words and intention of His Holiness, and that we must fulfill each and every wishes of His Holiness, it is simply a lip service in fact.

it was the date of hearing for Petitioner Dorje Shugden Society verses Respondent the Dalia Lama, Samdhong Lama, etc. Our lawyer said: the response has got from the Dalai Lama and Samdhong Lama, but not yet from Center Government and Himachal government.

And January 15, 2009 is the final date for presenting all the responses in the New Delhi High Court.

They were not able to provide response to the Delhi High Court since they received notice from the court in 2008-04-08.

It is clear to me that TGIE & TYC fit neatly into the descriptions for Hate- Mongering and it's prolific influence amongst human societies. Making the activities of a supposed God King Buddha even more perplexing as he mocks himself with his duplicitous acts towards others.
If the Dalia and his thugs within the TGIE and the TYC are not guilty of hate mongering within the Refugees Colonies towards Dorje Shugden practioners. Then I'm a Monkey's Uncle.
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MALCONTENTS

Champion’s Challenge
Be Reasonable Robert Thurman
Debate This Schism !
With Freedom Loving People !
I’ve Thrown Down the Gauntlet
To you,
Robert Thurman !
I challenge you to defend your lies!
If you do not reply to me personally. Then you are all the things, I say of you. That you, Robert Thurman, are a Liar and Traitor to the Principles of Democracy and the dharma.
We are not all perfect beings! This defeintely includes both of you, Tenzin Gyatso Norbu {dalia lama}, and Robert Thurman.
Some of us realize, that Tenzin Gyatso Norbu is a deceitful self cherishing incarnate of a Feudal War Lord. Who slaughtered his own people to seize and maintain control of the different approaches to the Teachngs Of Lord Buddha.
Some of us realize that he is the antithesis of a man who tramps daily by his ignorance and attempts to undermine the underpinning of the Bill Of Rights and Civil Liberties of the People.
The Dharma Flourishes because, it has a home that respects and protects the rights of all to believe as they choose.
This schism only magnified his abbhorrence of individual thought to reason and find the way to the truth that Lord Buddha taught to us.
He prefers to lie and deceive and use the mouthpiece of Bob Thurman to validate his claims, that he actually speaks from the truth.
They have no weapons to use against the Western Shugden Society,{WSS},or any of us!
We who are Fighting to Protect the Rights of all People Everywhere to Believe as They Choose.
Why?
Because, Dalia Lama has lied and violated the very principles. I’ve already mentioned.
Justice they say is Blind. But not Blind to the Breaking of Our Laws.
Which keep us from the Darkness of Lawlessness.
Nothing that has been said, that can be disproved or proved within cetain disciplines.
However, if enough people see the truth and think about it long enough. Then the truth will prevail.
We did nothing to deserve this abuse, and he says nothing that justifies His Lies and Abuse to Those Suffering due to his activities to maintain his power base.
He is not a Buddha, and Lies with the Ease of a Mississippi River Boat Gambler.
Not all of us are scholars or well versed, but we have the common sense that Lord Buddha attributed to we mere mortals. The inherent ability to reason ourselves out of ignorance and find liberation one day.
The only loss of credibility is Dalia Lama and Thurman’s incessant lying and deception they spew from their mouths each and everyday.
Only by the tenacious and continuous fortitude of each and every voice resonating with protest that they speak the truth. We expect this even from the least of us.
Lord Buddha by all accounts, fought against the status of deceit and lying of other intent to have their self cherishing lifestyles. Maintained by the suppression of others by perverting the truths and creating all manners of maras to keep it that way.
This is a Democracy and not all voices may speak as you wish, but we speak with sincerity and a desire to eliminate ignorance and lies that hinder all from the seeking the way home safely.
I hope they challenge any of us in public with a rational and logical defense of their actions to try and defend this insanity on the Global forum for All to Witness.
If they had a leg to stand on, they would have already courageously pursued their defense.
They have not, nor do they intend to confront you or me or anyone else directly.
Instead they have Death Squads slinking down dark alley ways, and then they have the audacity to point the finger at us.
Dalia lama cannot hold his own, unless he is speaking to his ‘Chorus of Supporters’.
So, relax and let our free will Protect Us from these Monsters.
Even Hitler had his day. He was loved by the deluded and brainwashed, and you can see what eventually happened to them.
As Dr. Ursula Bernis, who was in Munich during the bombing by the Allies in WWll, said. “Yes, Thom! We are grateful even for this tragedy. Imagine where we Germans and the world would be today, had Hitler had his way?”
This is warfare, not a nuance of semantics and dialectics within the debate halls of a Nunnery or Monastery.
We, The People, ill-versed and flawed, as we may be. Will fight on and on, until we defeat this monster and his mimmicks, who only care for personal power over others.
Hey There! Tenzin Gyatos Norbu! It’s me, Thom Canada calling you and Bob out, to defend your lies.!
See………………………………………..not a word of reply!
Why? Because these cowards are thieves of the Dharma. They know to fear me, and you and anyone else who Shines the Light of Truth.
We all attempt to say this truth with the Sincerity of Our Hearts, but not the lies of a cheating mind portrayed by Tenzin Gyatso Norbu and Robert Thurman manipulation of the TGIE and TYC is a farce at best!

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Dalia Lama, Samdong, Tenzin Peljor,TGIE,TYC
It's Time to Mend your Ways! Stop persecuting the people and lying to get your way. Stop hustling people of influence and become humble and a monk again. Politics and Religion are like butter and water. Democracy allows for all to be as Kings and Queens. We all have rights. The New Delhi Courts will hear the writ against the Dalia lama on January 19th,2009 for the violation of others Civil Rights by the Dalia lama, Samdung and the TGIE.
Right Away Without Delays!
Because as they say, "A pig with lipstick, Is Still a pig!"
Men in robes are neither monks nor lamas!
Just men in robes!
Unless a mam in Robes is Actually Practicing the Precepts of Lord Buddha
He is just a man in robes, neither a monk, nor a lama.
Just a Man!
This Makes All of You!
Just Men, In Robes lying! Neither monks nor lamas!
Practice the Precepts of Lord Buddha!
Become Monks or Lamas!
Trying to Practice & Follow the Way!
The Perfect Precepts Of Lord Buddha's Way!
Practice The Precepts! Say the Truth! Redeem Yourself!
Of Your Self-Cherishing Ways!
"Peace, Blessings,Freedom" are " Every One's Rights!"

"Confederation of Shambala Warriors"
Council Of Vajra Elders

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Dalia lama is a Dictator/Plain and Simple

Tibetan Youth Congress Enforces Dalai Lama's Ban on Dorje Shugden
"The Monasteries Have Been Cleaned!"

A monk aged around 30 came from a Gelug monastery in Manali to Tibetan Children's Village's (TCV) vocational training center for Tibetans, Patikuhl in Kulu Manali.

He had been invited by the local Manali Tibetan Youth Congress (TYC) to persuade students to give their signatures and oaths rejecting the practice of Dorje Shugden.

[The TYC is an NGO that functions as the covert mouthpiece and enforcer of the government and the Dalai Lama.]

The monk gave a speech to the gathering of students and teachers:

"Drepung, Sera and Ganden monasteries have been cleaned. Our monastery is cleaned too. There is not the slightest doubt about it. … You should not worship the demon Shugden."

The monk brought a thangka painting depicting a Protector stamping on Dorje Shugden, who was lying down. He showed it to the students and teachers, saying:

"The reason why Shugden is being stamped on is because he is a demon. It is not because the painter drew whatever he liked.

Many people no longer worship this Deity. However, some organizations and people of Chating province dislike the Dalai Lama and so they do still worship Shugden. Therefore, you should cut all ties with the people from Chating province."

Everybody must follow the words of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, who is telling us not to worship this Deity. . .

I was invited here by the Manali Tibetan Youth Congress, who requested me to explain to you how bad the worship of Shugden is. Along with giving us your signatures, you must all swear in front of Palden Lhamo and the Three Jewels that you will not worship the Deity."

The staff and teachers first gave their oaths and signatures that they would not worship Shugden. Then the students were called in to give their signatures and oaths. Many students didn't know anything about it, but they were told:

"The Dalai Lama said that Shugden is a demon and you should not worship him; so you must come up here to sign your name and swear not to worship him."

Students then stood in line to sign their names and declare their oaths.

The monk and members of the Manali TYC left in the afternoon, saying that they had a signature and oath campaign to go to somewhere else.

Manali TYC also told the owners of shops and restaurants to come to the monastery to give their signatures and oaths not to worship Shugden nor maintain spiritual or material ties with Shugden followers.

A restaurant's owner spoke to the witness:

"If you worship Shugden you will have success and happiness in this life, but when you die you will go directly to hell!"

At around 5pm, the Manali TYC members came back to TCV and asked those who had not already signed and made their oaths to do so.

A Spanish journalist came to the Dorje Shugden Society to interview its members about the Shugden Issue. He was in Manali when the incident happened. He reported that the Manali TYC had forced the public to come to the monastery for their signatures and oaths, telling them that they needed to close their shops and restaurants and that, if any of them did not come, the public would be asked to boycott their businesses.

The journalist was shocked at hearing this.

"Tibetans are saying that they are proceeding on the path of democracy; but they are using coercive force.

I did not know much about Dorje Shugden. When I heard about the ban on Shugden, it made me want to find out more."

The journalist asked people in Manali who had organized this campaign what was the benefit of banning this Deity? He did not get an answer, and he said they sounded hostile towards him. He said he had discovered that Tibetan religion and politics are completely mixed up.

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It goes something like this with the Tibetan's Tribal Mentality

An open letter to Tsering, a monk at Sera Monastery

Dear Tsering,

I hope this letter find you well and happy. I'm responding to recent comments you made on Tenzin Peljor's blog 'refuting' the points made by Shugden practitioners on various Western Shugden Society websites.

In general, I find your letter to be defensive and high in accusatory rhetoric but low in references and logic that refute these claims by the Western Shugden Society. Just saying that someone is wrong does not make them wrong, and just saying that someone is right does not make them right. This is the main problem with the Dalai Lama's claims about Dorje Shugden for example – everyone believes him although he has provided no actual evidence. Such blind belief is not acceptable in Western countries where we like to examine evidence and think for ourselves. This also used to be the case for Gelugpas in the Tibetan tradition in previous times. Sadly, now, the Dalai Lama's word is truth and law and not questioned by most (not that they have any power if they disagree.)

You have provided no evidence to refute the points made by the Western Shugden Society. For example, with respect to the Dalai Lama coming from a Muslim village, Taktser, the only thing you say is:

Moreover, by calling Taktser, the hamlet in Amdo Kubum where His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama was born, as a Chinese Muslim village is implying that the area belonged to China, thus flagrantly contradicting the historical facts and holding out the historically Tibetan area to PRC.

If I understand you correctly, the only thing you are refuting is that Taktser is Chinese. It is agreed that at the time when the Dalai Lama was discovered, the village was, indeed, in Tibet. However, you have not given any evidence to refute that the Dalai Lama is from a Muslim village and family, so I can only assume that you accept this as true.

I'm personally not familiar with the booklet you quoted, 'Expressing the Ocean of Truth'. You say it is an anonymous publication, but, if so, that is hardly surprising. You cannot be unaware that if someone in feudal Tibetan society speaks out against the Dalai Lama, they can put themselves in grave personal danger. For example, it is well known that the 9th Panchen Lama had to flee Tibet in 1924 in fear of his life for having offended the 13th Dalai Lama. Gunthang Tsultrim was shot in 1976, allegedly for opposing the Dalai Lama's plans to unite all four schools of Tibetan Buddhism under him. Such retribution for opposing the Dalai Lama is well known. Tibet was no Shangri-la and certainly no democracy. There are many bloody tales of revenge in Tibetan history.

You attribute this book to Shugden practitioners, but on what evidence? This is like the TGIE accusing Shugden practitioners of murdering Ven Lobsang Gyatso and his assistants while providing no evidence. Shugden practitioners have been providing a useful scapegoat for the Dalai Lama and his followers for everything that goes wrong in Tibetan society, and congruent with that is the fact that anyone who dares criticize the Dalai Lama is immediately assumed to be a Shugden practitioner and/or the PRC! However, it is clear that it is not just Shugden practitioners who are critical of the Dalai Lama and unhappy with the direction he has taken, both secular and religious. There are documents and articles written by Tibetans that are implicitly, if not explicitly, critical of the Dalai Lama. The Mongoose Canine letter is explicitly critical, but there is also a growing amount of implied criticism on the Internet.

For example, there are many now who recognise the need for a genuine democratic system of government for the Tibetan people, and they aren't getting it. In an article about the separation of religion and politics, Samten Karmay says:

The separation of church and state does not imply abandoning the practice of the established religion. Far from it, it secures freedom of religious exercise and therefore the right of personal choice whether one wishes to practice a religion or not.

Freedom of religious exercise is clearly not what the Dalai Lama wants. He faces a dilemma because if he allows a truly democratic Tibetan society, he will no longer be able to dictate a ban on Dorje Shugden practice. It's probably for this and many other reasons that it's unlikely that there will be be true democracy in Tibetan society while he has power.

Samten Karmay concludes:

A secularization of the exiled community should contribute towards solving the unending sectarian problems and lead to true unity amongst the Tibetan people, without any further religious interference in the political domain.

In banning the practice of Dorje Shugden and making laws to prohibit it, we can see TGIE's political interference in the religious domain – but they are fulfilling the Dalai Lama's wishes. Samten Karmay's solution is to separate 'church and state' as a means of eliminating sectarianism, not banning the practice of Dorje Shugden, although to be fair he clearly agrees with the Dalai Lama's view.

You also say:

The second unjustifiable allegation that the pro-Shugden has made in their writings is about the visit of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The writers in the same website, says that the monks in Sera and Ganden are not happy with the visit of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. It further claims that the monks are wary of His Holiness again speaking on the "Shugden issue" and inspiring "provocation."

This assertion of the Shugden supporters are absolutely untrue. The visit, first of all, is heartily welcomed by all Tibetans from all walks of lives, including the monks of Sera monastery barring few handfuls of Shugden supporters. We as a monk community, feel it very fortunate to once again be in the presence of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and to blessed by his kindness and benevolence. And by saying so, I also meant many of those who follow Shugden propitiation, if their claims of respecting His Holiness are not mere empty words.

This clearly shows that you're not a Shugden practitioner and have no idea what suffering they're going through. You're completely out of touch with reality on this one, but that's hardly surprising since Shugden and non-Shugden monks are now segregated in the monasteries and encouraged to have nothing to do with each other. You don't even know the people you're living next to.

I personally find it amazing that, even though Tibetan Shugden practitioners are suffering because of the Dalai Lama's actions, they still find it in their hearts to love him. This is a testament to their spiritual realizations. The monks are apprehensive about his coming visit because it was the Dalai Lama's visit to the monasteries in January 2008 that re-ignited the bad feeling over the Shugden Issue and the subsequent 'referendum' that met no standards of democracy and that split the monasteries. It is the Dalai Lama himself who is causing all this suffering and disharmony due to his fanatical pursuance of his self-made policy of banning Shugden worship. He will not leave things alone, so of course the monks are afraid of his next visit. You can love your mother while at the same time knowing that because of her anger or mental illness she will still beat you. These monks are in a similar predicament. How can they be happy when the Dalai Lama himself said:

Recently monasteries have fearlessly expelled Shugden monks where needed. I fully support their actions. I praise them. If monasteries find taking action hard, tell them Dalai Lama is responsible for this.

The monks obviously fear that after the Dalai Lama's next visit, at best they will be put under more pressure to give up their practice and at worst they will be homeless. Knowing this, would you look forward to his visit, Tsering? You have security because you either never engaged in the practice of Dorje Shugden or you have renounced it. Can you imagine how it feels for a Buddhist monk to have their security threatened by their ordaining Master and Buddhist Elder simply because they refused to renounce their Protector practice that they took a commitment to do? They are keeping their spiritual commitments to their Spiritual Guides, and the Dalai Lama is not! It beggars belief. The Dalai Lama acts more and more like someone who's become an irrational control freak – who, under his power, would not be afraid? The Dalai Lama should be a refuge and protector of others, not an unpredictable threat.

This goes to show how crazy this situation is – it's the complete opposite of what it should be. Your complete lack of empathy for the Shugden monks displays your single minded devotion to the Dalai Lama and your lack of understanding of what he's doing to them. Why should the Shugden monks fear a famous Buddhist Teacher who preaches love, compassion, tolerance and acceptance unless he isn't practising what he's preaching? This is sad, but true.

It's laudable that the Dalai Lama is coming to the monasteries to grant ordination to those who could not afford to travel to Dharamsala, but how many of those would-be monks will be Shugden practitioners? The answer is “none” because he refuses to ordain anyone who practises Shugden. Denying ordination to those who practise Shugden unless they give up their practice is yet another despicable method of control.

Then you say:

Thirdly, whereas the retaliating against the actions of Shugden supporters is concerned, it would have been done a long time back if it were not His Holiness the Dalai Lama's advice to His followers to observe restraint.

The Dalai Lama started this problem and I don't see any restraint from his side. There was no restraint when he split the monasteries this year, precipitating the formation of the Western Shugden Society, their letter and demonstrations against the Dalai Lama's ban. Can't you see that the Dalai Lama is the one responsible for fomenting all this conflict and misery?

Please quote passages from his speeches where he said not to harm Shugden practitioners. Let's see some evidence. Rather, there is evidence for the opposite:

Recently monasteries have fearlessly expelled Shugden monks where needed. I fully support their actions. I praise them. If monasteries find taking action hard, tell them Dalai Lama is responsible for this. Shugden followers have resorted to killing and beating people. They start fires. And tell endless lies. This is how the Shugden believe. It is not good.

These are terrible falsehoods. Shugden practitioners of course have done none of these things. Does this sound like the Dalai Lama is really trying to create harmony between Shugden and non-Shugden Tibetans?! Are the Wanted Posters in Southern India, Dharamasala and even New York -- giving the addresses and photographs of Dorje Shugden practitioners -- encouraging restraint? On the contrary, they are there to encourage violence. The recent mob at the New York demonstrations did not seem to be showing any restraint. It was only due to the quick thinking and action of the New York Police in evacuating the demonstrators that a riot was averted. There are suspicions that this near riot was incited to teach the demonstrators a lesson.

In comments on a Tricyle blog, one Tibetan said:

Therefore you NKT/WSS people ought to be careful––New Yorkers are restrained compared to the reception you may get if you persist in staging media stunts in future, if you get thrashed, you may regret not heeding this tip.

In the 1990s, the Dalai Lama himself refused to acknowledge that wanted posters existed or that Dorje Shugden practitioners were being harmed. This is from the Swiss TV Documentary in 1998:

Reporter: Why don't you simply advise people not to worship the deity Dorje Shugden and instruct others to be tolerant and avoid violence towards those who continue to worship it?

Dalai Lama: Nobody harming! Nobody harming on them!

Reporter: But I've seen the calls for violence in the newspapers

Dalai Lama: No, no, no

Reporter: I've seen it with my own eyes

Dalai Lama: No, I think rumors!

How could the Dalai Lama deny what the reporter had personally witnessed? How stupid does he think people are? This is denial, not advising restraint -- he is simply denying that there is violence because it would destroy his reputation.

You conclude by saying:

The recent Special General Meeting in mid November that saw the representation of all walks of lives of the Tibetan people, reaffirmed the supreme leadership of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, and therefore, harping otherwise by few handful of Shugden supporters would do nothing good except distancing themselves from the mainstream Tibetan society.

I doubt that you are in touch with the thoughts of all your own countrymen and women. In her blog, a Tibetan woman called 'Mountain Phoenix' says of the meeting:

This meeting could have been both special and historic, if we had taken the bold and painful step that I believe is unavoidable: To allow the Dalai Lama to retire into the religious sphere, and set the stage for the separation of religion and politics.

Are you going to characterise all critics of the Dalai Lama's approach as Shugden-worshipping-Chinese-sympathisers? This is lazy and wrong and it prevents the Dalai Lama from seeing that there are many Tibetans who disagree with his stance on both political and religious issues. The comments from Tibetans on the Samten Karmay article are unanimously supportive of a separation of religion and politics, so there are many who disagree with you concerning the 'supreme leadership of His Holiness'.

I'd like to say that, despite refuting your obvious wrong claims, I personally have no interest in Tibetan politics. My only interest is the religious freedom of Shugden practitioners. I wish all Shugden practitioners to be able to practise free from slander or persecution by the Dalai Lama.

On Behalf of Concerned Dorje Shugden Practitioners in Europe and India
Thomas Canada
Shambala Council of Vajra Elders

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Resolutions by the Tibetan Youth Congress

Red Guards of Tibetan Buddhism
Resolutions by the Tibetan Youth Congress

This article shows how the Tibetan Youth Congress (TYC) have taken it upon themselves to be the mouthpiece of the Dalai Lama and the TGIE and to pursue a witch hunt against Shugden practitioners. Here are a few examples:

Tibetan Youth Congress Enforces Dalai Lama's Ban on Dorje Shugden
Human Rights Violations of Dorje Shugden Practitioners
Background, history, analysis and stories about the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden

It is worth noting that the Dalai Lama's younger sister Jetsun Pema was one of the founders of the Tibetan Youth Congress (TYC). His youngest brother, Ngari Rinpoche, was the second president of the TYC. Ngari Rinpoche's wife Rinchen Khando Choegyal served as the president of Tibetan Women's Association (which has also harassed Shugden practitioners).

(1) Agenda of Meeting of the TYC

The local and central TYC will perform pujas for the Dalai Lama. When the Dalai Lama pays a visit to a local group, the local TYC must take care of the Dalai Lama's well-being and be very cautious of the followers of Dholgyal (Shugden).

Without any shame, the followers of Dholgyal are accomplishing the wishes of the Chinese government by directly protesting against His Holiness the Dalai Lama and so on. What a challenge for the Tibetan Youth Congress to carry!

Resolution

On the basis of our firm stance and resolution in 1996, over thirty thousand members of the TYC will take an oath and give their signature, to be witnessed by the Three Jewels, never to share religious and material resources with the followers of Dholgyal. Under the decree of the Tibetan Youth Congress, the local TYC must take oaths and give their signatures on the above matter.

Recently Dholgyal followers, the so-called Dorje Shugden Devotees Religious and Charitable Society, have brought legal action against the Dalai Lama and the Kalon Tripa, leveling baseless accusations against them. The TYC will single-pointedly protest against this. Our general body will send a letter that will reject and protest [the writ petition by Dorje Shugden Society].

With the stamp of TYC and signature of TYC president Tsewang Rigzin
July 5, 2008

(2) Letter to the Dorje Shugden Society of Delhi

To the executive members of Dorje Shugden Society of Delhi:

Recently, the 39th General Meeting of the governing body of the Tibetan Youth Congress was held in Kulu Manali, Himachal Pradesh, from July 1 to 5 of 2008. Ninety-two members from 45 local enclaves of India, Nepal, Bhutan, Taiwan and so on took part in this meeting. We have thoroughly discussed the principally related political agendas.

In the 2nd resolution of Agenda no 5, the governing body has resolved to send a letter to the effect that the Tibetan Youth Congress reject and single pointedly protest Dholgyal followers -- so called Dorje Shugden Devotees Charitable and Religious Society -- for taking His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Kalon Tripa Samdhong Rinpoche to the court on the baseless allegations.

During the time our brothers in Tibet, sacrificing one's life, engage in tremendous campaign of saving Tibet and protest against China, to our sadness, you have reversed the black and white, and accomplished the necessities of the Chinese government by protesting and criticizing when the Dalai Lama travels to the foreign country. Not only that but we, the head and locals of the Tibetan Youth Congress, do not accept that you have sued them with the baseless allegations, regardless of the kindness of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Kalon Tripa and Himachal government. Furthermore, this governing body will show the clear expression of our single-pointed protest.

In future we will remind you not to mistake friend and enemy, and to know the manner of maintaining Buddhadharma and living beings, as well as to know the purpose and benefit of the instructions given to the Tibetan public by His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

39th General Meeting of the Governing Body of the Tibetan Youth Congress
July 5, 2008
Tserwang Rizin, Chairman
Seal and Signature
CC: Indian Government, Himachal Government, Private Office of the Dalai Lama, Department of Security of Tibetan government in exile.

(Letter sent on September 18, 2008)

The patriotic fervor, blind devotion to their leader, and elements of their behavior (threatening letters, wanted posters, arson, violence) ironically and sadly is reminiscent of the Red Guards of China. It is worth pointing out that these particular members of the Tibetan Youth Congress (and Women's Association) are not behaving like Buddhists in their political activities of repressing Shugden practitioners -- they are behaving like thugs.
These unfortunate sentient beings are akin to the Plantation Slave of the Deep South in the USA 160 years ago. They are so ingrained and brainwashed by their former Slave Master, they cannot tell the difference from one side of the fence to the other.

Dalia lama is going to court and the court would not hear this writ if they thought it groundless.

This Dalia lama ordered the murder of my Teacher, Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche. Plain and simple. Tenzin Gyatso Norbu is "Murderer"and a "Grifter". He is a man wearing holy robes, whilst he lies and laughs at the world and the fools it contains.

Bodkyi Bangchen
Dharamshala, Edition 205
December 3, 2008

The warning that overpowers the dark side of the Three Realms, self-voice of truth which reveal nakedly the self-embarrassment of the enemy who ambush Tibetan religion and politics.

Written by Thupten Choepel

With our own eyes, we are observing the time of life and death matter where Tibetan religion and polices including Tibetan nationals are on the verge of extinction. This gloomy predicament was not occurred without a cause, nor simply due to the invasion by China; it is also not that there is lack of the sufficient instruction of the qualified gurus and deities; and nor something taken place suddenly. However, this is a repercussion of negligence, backward, and many unfavorable conditions in many ways. The most serious one is the Dholgyal issue. Three Great Seats took vast responsibility and acted according to the pros and cons, which resulted in the exceptional modification of Buddhism. Yet the issue remaining in the history should be made clear regarding white should be white, and so as the black. The first step [for this] should be initiated by the Three Great seats: It is common knowledge that one confrontation by the monastery is successful then hundred of confrontation carried out by others. And I view that China, Dholgyal, and Dholgyal society are equal in creating obstacle to Tibetan religion and politic.

Here I explain you the brief activities of Dholgyal society incidentally, introduction to the origin of Dholgyal, few examples of the account of the false deity, the evil demon who posed detrimental to Buddhism and living beings; and that Kyabje Denying (Pabongkha) was cheated by the evil demon is - a big source of traiting living beings and Buddhism

Dholgyal society, which stands in opposition to His Holiness Dalai Lama, Tibetan government in exile and Tibetan public, was founded in 1996. Within one or two years they spread letters and statements in the community that their stand is consistent with the monasteries of three great seats. This resulted in many conflicts in the community. So in 1998 the top-level monks of monasteries including three great seats said that they would directly go on the path of His Holiness, which is a common stand of Gelugpa; and they [top-level monks] did announcement that one should not be misled by false statements from Dholgyal society. Thus, the naked ass of Dholgyal society’s false declarations busted out. They were not able to tolerate, and they again raised their evil voice that the Dalai Lama and his few cronies have no authority to decide on the matters of Gelug tradition. They, continually, went deeper. “During this year Olympic game, [they] had plans to launch campaigns”, the word spread in the community. Therefore the student monks of the three great seats have voiced their aspirations that the constitution should be implemented accordingly. His Holiness gave instruction about the necessity of decision in Drepung monastery. Therefore, in January 2008, the majority of three Great Seats gave their consent to the charter that was formulated in 1998. At that time they [shugden society] have published a letter contained 15 points, saying that the manner of taking decision went against the democratic norm, and that they would not agree. Their wish was in vain at last: they brought to the court His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Tibetan government in exile with groundless allegations. Furthermore, they have engaged in undermining the prestige of His Holiness in many foreign countries. The slogan, both in word and language, of those who under pretext of the evil demon is: “His Holiness has deprived their religious freedom and human rights; His Holiness is lying.” These actions are despicable, but there is nothing to be shocked since they have duties given by China and commitment abetted by Dholgyal. What we should be surprised is, be it an abbot or a lama of monastery who claims we should comply with the words of His Holiness, if [any of them] find excuse during the critical time of religio-political interest of Tibet. If such a person says we should unswervingly follow the words and intention of His Holiness, and that we must fulfill each and every wishes of His Holiness, it is simply a lip service in fact.
////// ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Dalia lama is a man in robes lying to the sentient beings. I wish to thank the TGIE & TYC for their acknowledgement of the hard work we have accomplished over the last 12 years in regard to exposing the charade of a reincarnate War Lord masquerading as a holy lama in Mahayanna Buddhism.
I take great pride in our work and encourage all concerned to keep up the good fight against these Nazi inspired monsters that subjugate the ignorant refugess with lies and deceits about their true condition. There is no Samaya to break with a fraud that is in no way a Buddhist. Let alone a lama nor even a monk.I hope that the prism may be shown to Dalia of the suffering he has caused to so many of us here in samsara.
May all sentient beings receive happiness upon happiness. May Dorje Shugden compassion shine in every heart forever.
Seperation of Church and State. No Theocracies. No Dictator! No hustling people for political favors and money.
It's time for the Dalia lama to retire and count the beads on his mala.
Dl is not a God King nor a Buddha and his narcisstic cavalier attitude is only causing trouble.
China is Tibet and Tibet is China. It's all in the geography books. There is no mystery about the geographic borders and no doubt as to who claims soverignity over this part of the planet. Dalia lama is acting like Hitler did his his final days. He's willing to sink the entire ship, if he can't have what he wants.
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However,the New Delhi High Courts set the date of hearing for Petitioner Dorje Shugden Society verses Respondent the Dalia Lama, Samdhong Lama, etc. Our lawyer said: the response has got from the Dalai Lama and Samdhong Lama, but not yet from Center Government and Himachal government.

And January 15, 2009 is the final date for presenting all the responses in the court.

They were not able to provide response to the Delhi High Court since they received notice from the court in 2008-04-08.

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Free To Believe What We Choose

I really don’t understand why the Dalai Lama wants people believe that Dorje Shugden might harm someone if you displease him. The evidences show that it is the Dalai Lama who harm others if you displease him… and others may harm you to please him.

Probably he would also deny that he has caused people believe that Dorje Shugden might harm someone… and he would blame someone else for this, but it is evident that people is following just what he says.

So why is the Dalai Lama relying on Tibetan yellow journals and not in his Spiritual Guide and lineage Gurus?

There is no evidence in hundreds of years that this practice would be unsafe, against any order, health, morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others. It is so focused on spiritual realizations of the Tradition of Je Tsongkhapa that even the 14th Dalai Lama’s brother said he did not even know this practice existed!!!

It is certainly eye-catching showing pictures of someone harmed and saying that the aggressor was someone who is a Dorje Shugden practitioner or that Dorje Shugden harmed him. But this is clearly an exaggeration and there is simply no evidence of any connection between a photo/allegations and the aggressors beliefs or that these beliefs in turn have any connection with what the aggressor did.

There is simply no connection between any harm and the Dorje Shugden practice.

It would be interesting to do the same Dalai Lama’s “test” to himself: What happens if you contradict or displease the 14th Dalai Lama?

Check what has happened to Dorje Shugden practitioners for displeasing the 14th Dalai Lama and moreover, check what his followers have done to please the DL. These are proven facts by signature campaigns, segregation walls in monasteries, with Dalai Lama’s and Tibetan Government’s documents and public statements clearly making the connection between what the 14th Dalai Lama “suggests” and “praise” with respect to the Dorje Shugden practice, the results from displeasing him or what others are doing to please him: discrimination.

No doubt that if you displease the Dalai Lama you will get into some kind of trouble. Innocent people keeps being harmed merely because they have displeased the Dalai Lama (for example, for not signing a card renouncing to their Dorje Shugden practice) or because others want to please him (for example, continuous discredit comments towards Dorje Shugden practitioners like all the smears against the NKT).

The Dalai Lama does have mundane power and he has been using it to stop the Dorje Shugden practice against Dorje Shugden practitioners’ beliefs. He has said that nobody is harming others but this practice resides nowhere else and is carried out by nobody else but such practitioners.

So maybe the United Nations should amend its declarations that discrimination should be eliminated except if necessary to please the Dalai Lama (????) It is certainly an inconvenient truth to neglect but it is a truth anyway and

“Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and of Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief Proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 36/55 of 25 November 1981

Article 3
Discrimination between human being on the grounds of religion or belief constitutes an affront to human dignity and a disavowal of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and shall be condemned as a violation of the human rights and fundamental freedoms proclaimed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and enunciated in detail in the International Covenants on Human Rights, and as an obstacle to friendly and peaceful relations between nations.”

Now, if you are harmed or get into trouble because you have displeased the Dalai Lama… is it because he… is a Buddha? How does this works?

Check and make your own conclusions.

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Tibetan Theocracy: Collective Karma and the Sprit of Denial

Ten simple reasons that many are willing to forget to please the 14th Dalai Lama or simply will never hear about because this practice displeases the Dalai Lama.

Tibetans believe that united together with the Dalai Lama will win something but they are losing all, including the Dorje Shugden beautiful practice and blessings, praised by many high Lamas in Tibetan Buddhist Traditions.

The only Tibetan heritage to this world was its diverse Schools of Buddhism’s teachings and practices now practically absorbed by the Dalai Lama. Please have a little compassion for the current and next generations since for many of us there is hardly or practically there might not be other way out of suffering except through a sincere and pure Buddhist practice.

The Dalai Lama’s “cultural revolution” to remove the Dorje Shugden practice, his stepping in to appoint the head of the Schools of Tibetan Buddhism, etc. (to become himself the head of all Schools of Tibetan Buddhism) is precisely a cultural genocide. Buddhism is not in a piece of land in the East. The Chinese might have taken over Tibet, but the Dalai Lama has taken over Tibetan Buddhism (so far). He does not want anyone on top of him, not even his Spiritual Guides.

Many if not most of the Tibetans have even agreed to forsake their faith to their lineage Gurus, their diverse culture of Buddhism in order to give the Dalai Lama the power to control all Tibetan Buddhism. This seems to have happened to defend themselves from a so-called “[Chinese] conspiracy” that they see in anyone not following the Dalai Lama. (And I'm sorry but I'm not Chinese)

Simply there will not be any traditional cultural diversity if everyone must follow just what the Dalai Lama says.

And the conspiracy? There is no “conspiracy”. The Chinese have been open and very clear on what they want and what they will do regardless on whether or not the Dalai Lama is a Gelugpa, “master of or in all Traditions”, PhD Honoris Causa or the master of the universe. And they will do that alone. The only one “playing conspiracies” is the Dalai Lama.

To avoid more uncertainty regarding his succession, he might be thinking on inherit his title to a son or daughter. He is master of all Traditions anyway and in other Traditions they do that (or not? check), he has changed many traditional rules … and people actually believe “he is a master of all Traditions” and follow him blindly (… so why not?) He would do anything to avoid the Chinese conspiracy. The point is let him do that or whatever he wants but stop destroying all the lineages of Tibetan Buddhism, stop the harm to innocent people caused by your followers that only want to please the Dalai Lama. Some people actually think that Dorje Shugden is a demon that should be destroyed… and many of them let others believe that, even when all know that not even the 5th Dalai Lama was able to do it!! because Dorje Shugden is a Buddha... and the 5th Dalai Lama acknowledged this and praised Dorje Shugden. (Or how Dorje Shugden "survived" 300+ years to present days?)

The Tibetans and we all just need to follow the advise and seek the blessings of our lineage Gurus or Lamas, receive the blessings of powerful Dharma Protectors such as Dorje Shugden, follow the advise of our true heads of Traditions of Buddhism, etc. to carry on with the Buddhist heritage for the benefit of future generations. Destroying all these for nothing or just to make powerful one person, who “nobody knows” who he or she will be in his or her next life is truly cultural genocide, which has actually harmed many innocent people.

Gladly many people have denounced the tragedy (like this type of Blogs.) Sadly the Tibetans still playing the Dalai Lama’s “conspiracy game” (and the “Free Tibet” which has been proven being practically a moot point, except for the power it gives to the Dalai Lama/who is a 'dick').

Happy New Year!

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solve ur own problems, and

solve ur own problems, and leave us alone.
do not think u'r justice. it's just ur opinion.
-- a chinese web user

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frightening immaturity

The most frightening thing is the shocking immaturity of the Chinese masses and leadership. Incredibly sophomoric and shrill. And then there's all the b.s about "Tibet has always been a part of China"... Tibetans do not speak Mandarin or even Cantonese. Their religion is decidedly Indian in origins. Tibet has always served as a barrier and a buffer between China and India and needs to be preserved as such. Tibet is also a world cultural treasure and Vajrayana Buddhism needs to be preserved for us all. We certainly do not need another atheistic, materialistic, and polluted outpost under Chinese Han rule in the Himalayas, licking their chops over Nepal, Bhutan, Pakistan and India. Especially as run by the Orwellian peasants who annilated their artists and scholars under the guise of a "cultural revolution" and devoid of any kind of spiritual or cultural leadership can only flex their "economic" muscles like a herd of ignorant beasts in a ridiculous caricature of "civilization."

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:-)

I changed some keywords of your origianl statement such that you can enjoy your own hummor:

The most frightening thing is the shocking immaturity of the French masses and leadership. Incredibly sophomoric and shrill. And then there's all the b.s about "Corsica has always been a part of France"... Corsicans do not speak French. Their religion is decidedly Italian in origins. Corsica has always served as a barrier and a buffer between France and Italy and needs to be preserved as such. Corsica is also a world cultural treasure and its Italain culture needs to be preserved for us all. We certainly do not need another atheistic, materialistic, and polluted outpost under French rule in the mediterranean sea, licking their chops over Italy, Greece, and middel east. Especially as run by the French peasants who annilated their artists and scholars under the guise of a "french revolution" and devoid of any kind of spiritual or cultural leadership can only flex their "democracy" muscles like a herd of ignorant beasts in a ridiculous caricature of "civilization."

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Helloo, where are you

Helloo, where are you from?????? of course Corsicans speak french
ANd you must know that the ones who call for independancy are a minority of all the population.
Their religion helloooo is catholic as in france and in italia..
It's been years that we didn't have thousands of people killed in our country...
And what I have to say : this is a huge lack of knowledge. So before talking you should travel around the world or open books sometimes, before talking.

Corsica-France is definitely not the same problem, so do not compare stuff that are not comparable!!

For Tibet and china I agree that we shouldn't give any lessons but I think that when there is danger for a population, for a nation, YES everyone in this world is concerned. Same for Darfur, Congo, ...

Regards

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Odd Logic Above

France's debatable hold on Corsica does not weaken any argument about China's debatable hold on Tibet. Perhaps both countries are wrong; but each case is individual and should be judged on its own merits. Just because China has military control of a particular area does not make it an "internal problem."

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Hope the new incarnated you

Hope the new incarnated you can be born earlier. :)

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The dude Sarcozy dare not to

The dude Sarcozy dare not to mention IRAQ to George Bush.

On what basis that U.S. can occupy Iraq? On false intelligence?

Any prominent french politician using his or her values or convictions to correct the wrongs?

Look the Irais, their miserable lives.

They don't have any historical links with the U.S.

For those who wants to realize more about Tibet, China. Please go to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_sovereignty_debate

See for youselves.

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For your information, I for

For your information, I for sure do not agree with SarKozy all the time. But you probably know that when the war in Iraq began it was Chirac the President, remember? ANd do you remember that chirac and most of all the french told Bush that we won't follow him and not send soldiers there whereas all the "allies" where giving their soldiers to Bush.
So sorry but I think that sometimes (even if we can say wrong things), please don't deny the French rights!

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The french should review

The french should review what have they done to the Africa, to the America first. No double standards.

If this dude thinks confronting China using Tibet issue is a just cause, he should confront U.S. first. He should meet with Indians( Culturally genocide already).

Any french guy has the courage and conscience to do that?

Cowards!!

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You are right for the

You are right for the indians and africa...
But this was in the past..Don't you think that now with the history we know, China must acquire some lessons there?
What do you think's happening in Darfur today for 4 years now???

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boycott chinese products

I hope the western countries will open their eyes on China and stop buying products "made in china"

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STOP CHINA BLACKMAIL

DICEMBER 05, 2009

From: Consejo Nacional Independiente para derechos humanos en Cuba.
ON CONCERN TO:
A call to boycoot French products

If 1.3 million Chinese people get into an angry sweat, maybe it could flood Sarkozy"

Could you pass this message on to everyone, to show how powerful 1.3 billion Chinese people are!"

IF ALL CITIZEN OF THE FREE WORLD CALL THE ATTENTION TO ITS OWN GOVERNMENTS TO STOP THE BLACKMAIL OF A PLANTATION OF 1.3 billions of Chinese. WHICH IS THE RESPOSIBLE OF THE ACTUAL ECONOMIC CRISIS AROUND THE WORLD. BECAUSE NO NATION CAN BE COMPETITIVE WITH A 1.3 billions of labor slave.

THEN TIBET, CUBA, ZIMBAGUE, Half of Arabe world WOUL BE FREE AND DEMOCRACY FLOOD THE PLANET.

TO ALL FREE CITIZEN OF THE WORLD: COULD YOU PLEASE PASS THIS MENSAGE TO EVERYONE> THIS IS THE MAJOR CAUSE OF UNEPLOYMENT AROUND THE FREE WORLD.

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TOTALY AGREE!

DEC 05, 2008

WE Cuba's Falun Gong : Totaly agree with cuban freedom fighter, not only TIBET, CUBA, WE CHINISES UNDER THE BRUTAL TORTURE.

CITIZEN OF THE FREE WORLD DO IT HELP US TO.

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