Why do you get ten wives and I can't even have one? Protest outside a Mormon temple on Santa Monica Blvd, LA. Posted on Flickr by Evan Jacobs 6 November 08.
Since same-sex marriage was banned in California last Tuesday, gay activists have rallied against the vote with daily protests, blaming the Mormon Church for swaying the electorate with a cash-crammed campaign. One blogger is calling for a "boycott of the State of Utah" and all business owners who donated to the cause.
On the same day that the first ever black American was elected to the White House, gay couples were banned from getting married in California. Since May this year, gay Californian couples had been enjoying the same rights as heterosexual couples, but in a poll on Tuesday, just over half of the state (52.5%) voted to take them away. Coming from the country's most liberal state, which is considered a groundbreaker on the matter, the decision came as a shock. So shocking in fact, that even Republican state governor Arnold Schwarzenegger spoke out against it on Sunday, encouraging gay rights activists "not to give up". MSNBC's comic presenter Keith Olbermann also condemned the decision, calling it "horrible". On Monday, 43 Democrat legislators went even further by signing a petition urging the Supreme Court to void Prop 8.
Meanwhile, gay rights activists have been protesting daily from Sacramento to San Diego, targeting in particular the Mormon Church (LDS), which poured over $15m into the ProtectMarriage campaign according to the Mormons for Proposition 8 website, which lists donors and amounts given.
Protestors chant "shame on you" outside a Mormon Temple in Westwood, Los Angeles. Posted by "Jaromellz" 8 Nov. 08.
Demonstrators marched to and from a Mormon temple in Silverlake, LA on Saturday. Posted by "wojo4hitz" 10 Nov. 08.
John Aravosis is a blogger and gay rights activist who's running the campaign to boycott Utah and Mormon businesses. He writes for Americablog.
This is in
response to the Mormons who dumped millions into Proposition 8, which just
revoked the marriages of nearly 20,000 gay newlyweds in California, instantly making their children
bastards. I think the Mormons, and Utah
more generally, have created a massive public relations disaster for
themselves.
This is not the first time the Mormons went beyond their borders to promote hate and intolerance of gays and lesbians - it's been happening for years. Enough is enough.. It's time to stop funding those businesses and individuals who promote hate. (...) We could use a little research help. It's been said that as many as 4 out of 5 dollars donated to the anti-gay Prop 8 forces came from Mormons, especially those in Utah. (...)
[For example] Our friend Brent Andrus, who is a lead donor to Prop 8 [he donated $20,000], in fact runs a series of hotels, including (big surprise here), Courtyard Marriott, Fairfield Inn Marriott, Residence Inn Marriott, and Spring Hill Suites Marriott. Never, ever stay at a Marriott again."
Armand Mauss is a Mormon sociologist from Salt Lake City who now lives in California. He supported Proposition 8. (We also spoke to a Mormon who opposed the LDS Church's involvement in Proposition 8, but he refused to have his comment published for fear of excommunication). Armand sent us his comment by email:
As one
interest group among many, the LDS
Church has simply
exercised its right to contend for its vision of "the best interests of
the state" in this matter. (...)
Some, but not all, of the LDS Church's interests in this matter are religious, but that does not disqualify the Church from participating, as one interest group among many, in the political process, any more than a labour union's special economic interests would be disqualifying. In other words, there is no "church vs. state" issue. The American tradition of church-state separation has never meant that religious beliefs or interests have no right to be expressed in political behaviour. (...)
We sympathize with the disappointments felt this time by the opponents of Prop. 8, but the Church is not responsible for those disappointments, and they do not justify the hostility and bigotry against the Church that we have seen in the wake of this election.
The 18,000 gay couples married after the narrow ruling of the California Supreme Court against Prop. 22 are the main victims in this election outcome, and we truly commiserate with the frustration that they must feel. However, they are not victims of Prop. 8 (or of the LDS Church) but of an ill-advised action by the Court action by the Court, which had been strenuously petitioned by the Prop. 8 campaign to delay implementation of its 4-3 decision until after the November election. Had the Court agreed to that delay, we would not now have 18,000 couples in a sort of marital limbo."
Comments
Churches are plenty of HATE
Submitted by Têtuniçois (not verified) on Sun, 16/11/2008 - 22:58.Churches are plenty of HATE and HOMOPHOBIA .
http://atheisme.free.fr/Atheism.htm
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I'm tired of your
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 27/11/2008 - 03:14.I'm tired of your thoughtless comments and they don't edit you stupid comments! Your just jealous your not a Homosapien and that your the result of what happened in prisons long ago where men raped men because of loneliness, then all of a sudden they call it love. Next thing you know you want to get married, your a confused individual that needs direction esp. towards the opposite sex. ------> <------ this don't work it's not natural!
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Gay rights and the Mormon Church
Submitted by Lisa (not verified) on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 19:00.I just want to put my two cents in. I live in Arizona where we had a similar proposition come up. Yes I belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Yes, it is against my religious beliefs to be gay. I myself have struggled with the sexual identity of my own. I have determined that while I am bi-sexual, I have committed to my husband. I voted against gay marriage solely on the wording of the proposition. It would make the government get involved in how a religion is run. We live in a land with freedom of worship. You don't like what one religion has to say there are hundreds of thousands more. I don't tell anyone what or how to worship their God. I have friends that are Pagen. they don't criticize me in my worship and I don't in them. If they came out with wording that would not make government interfere with religion then I would vote for it. But so far they have not.
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I just wanted to add
Submitted by lisa (not verified) on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 19:58.I just wanted to add something that I just remembered. The church could not have put any of it's own money into the campaigning of any proposition. It would loose it's rights it has as a religion. The "Mormon money" comes strictly from it's members own pockets.
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FORGET YOUR RELIGION .
Submitted by Têtuniçois (not verified) on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 19:31.FORGET YOUR RELIGION . FORGET MENTAL SLAVERY !
BE FREE!
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Those who think religion is
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Tue, 18/11/2008 - 10:01.Those who think religion is mental slavery should know that the universe and all that it contains did not just come into existence by chance (as the false notion of evolution teaches).There is a creator, who is called by different names,depending on where one comes from:God,Jehovah,Allah,Hyel,etc.This Almighty Creator sent Messengers to inform men(including women of course)that He the Creator alone is to be worshiped.That is how religion came about.Unfortunately,however, the teachings brought by these special human beings (the Messengers of God)got corrupted;but he continued sending these messengers to renew the missions of those preceding them.The last of such messengers being Mohammed, who came with the LAST and most comprehensive of such messages,the Holy Koran.It is up to everyone to discern whether the Koran is a code from God(which it is)or a trash(which it isn't).There is a reward or punishment from the Creator for acceptance or rejection respectively.
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You are clearly an
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Tue, 18/11/2008 - 11:55.You are clearly an intelligent, articulate and literate person. How can you believe such rubbish? Religion is simply formalised superstition, used by the unscupulous to exploit the gullible,
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I am free. I am more free
Submitted by Lisa (not verified) on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 20:00.I am free. I am more free then I have ever been in my entire life. that is because I have a Father in Heaven who loves me. I know where I am going after this life is through. No matter what I have to endure I know where I am going. Do you????
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Yes you have a father in
Submitted by Têtuniçois (not verified) on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 02:04.Yes you have a father in heaven and santa klaus is going to give you money cash at christmas time . Hey little kid , you should tell to yours parents that at 20:00 you shoud have eat your soup and go to bed . Poor little boy .
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Bottom line is that no one
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 12/11/2008 - 23:33.Bottom line is that no one is to blame - it's our right to express our view in this free country so live according to the laws and stop "crying" about it. it's not helping the more people hear about it especially when the people have spoken TWICE the less support you will get. FACE THE FACTS!
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Sodomites harassing the messengers.
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 12/11/2008 - 17:38.We must truly be at the end of days. These homosexuals demonstrate the same spirit as the
sodomites of Sodom & Gomorrah. John
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Re:Sodomites harassing the messengers.
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 20:03.Looks like you need to brush up on your theology...
...which was more related to the abuse of hospitality than being gay, but hey ho, easier to use the same old hackneyed arguments than a little bit of application of your grey matter...
...but then, organised religion hardly promotes using the brain - more often quite the reverse!
ANY religion that doesn't put the importance of people to live their lives with honesty and integrity is degenerate...
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How ridiculous you are
Submitted by Têtuniçois (not verified) on Wed, 12/11/2008 - 18:03.How ridiculous you are !!!
How old are you ? Are you a kid to believe in god , in santa klaus and other stories ?
Brrrr i am the devil , i am going to eat you this night , becareful little kid ! brrrr .
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who is the kid, you are the
Submitted by Liz Mayes (not verified) on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 19:12.who is the kid, you are the one who writes like a 5 year old. you one day will also believe in God. there is no atheist on a sinking ship!
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For kids there is santa
Submitted by Têtuniçois (not verified) on Sun, 16/11/2008 - 23:04.For kids there is santa klaus for some adults there is god , the same lie .
One day will understand that . I am sure that new generation will forget all those stupid stories of religion . it's only a question of time .
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You know the most
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 27/11/2008 - 03:42.You know the most interesting thing that could happen is, that when that day comes, when a person can not escape death, You better hope there is no god!! Last thing that you would want to happen is that you discover in that day that there is...such feelings and thoughts that a person like that would go through. In a way it's kind of unbearable...Gays and Lesbians make the mistake of saying that religion puts fear in the mind of followers because it talks against Gays and Lesbians but little do they know that it's OK to be gay, but it's rather the actions that result from being gay that the churches are against and that it is not fear that religions put into the mind of their followers but rather Knowledge. Wouldn't it be tragic to find out there is a God after all that you said? I'd rather not have that knowledge or even say there is no god because what if there is? I'm curious what would you do if you found out that there is a god?
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you must be the devil
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 12/11/2008 - 23:28.you must be the devil or he's within you and your thoughts you promote hate and segregation how dare you attack the core of christian religion! You are a confused individual and we can claim that there is no love between gay and lesbian couple and that they are only LUSTING after each other - that's not LOVE!
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I AM GOING TO EAT YOU LITTEL
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 00:48.I AM GOING TO EAT YOU LITTEL KID !
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Homosexuals can't spell! You
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 01:46.Homosexuals can't spell! You suck!! Go back to school then come back and write online.
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Suck your god .
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 19:32.Suck your god .
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Personal attacks and
Submitted by Unregistered user (UK) (not verified) on Tue, 18/11/2008 - 11:52.Personal attacks and vilification just ruin any argument by pointing out that you don't have an adult ability to argue sensibly.
If you have a reasoned argument, for or against, then you should be able to put it in terms that don't resort to stupid, pathetic, juvenile name calling! If you can't, then keep quiet to avoid teling everyone else how poor your reasoning ability is.
Personally I am an Agnostic. However, I fully support the right of any other person to believe, or not believe, in anything they wish to. That is their right.
NO-ONE has a right to tell another human being "You will believe this, that, or this-other". Equally, no-one has the right to tell another "you will do this because I say you should".
I don't believe in Gay marriage, but I do believe that both Gays and Straights' have the right to live their own life-style and should accord respect to others as they would want those others to respect them.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!
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Then why change and re-word
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 27/11/2008 - 03:55.Then why change and re-word the core of the Christian belief? That is a personal attack on all Christians! We respect your beliefs and we don't push religion on anyone else BUT here in America and also UK it's kind of hard to avoid when your predecessors from generation to generation believed in this Being and found it so important to past it down to their children. How could some thing so wrong survive through the ages? how could we even follow clocks and calendars that point to a particular time and age where a god could of been on the earth? can we be that wrong? do we have the right to call our ancestors stupid! I think not! If it weren't for them we wouldn't be here today. That's the least amount of respect that we should show them. That's not forcing anybody that's instilling in a person the opportunity to judge for themselves and act accordingly without force. What gives Gays and Lesbians the right to change that? Marriage is not a right... it's an incentive for heterosexual couples. The US may not be directly governed by religion, but we are culturally Christian. The Founding Fathers were Christians and used their morals to decide the principles of our nation. Without a strong moral compass, where is the line? Gays are not being oppressed. They are allowed to be gay, have relationships, have children-for the most part, etc. Marriage is an incentive for a man and a woman and gently to suggest a preference to heterosexuality.
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gays
Submitted by Unregistered user joseph walker (not verified) on Wed, 12/11/2008 - 17:28.It is a matter of opinion what one terms offensive ,it is arrorance when one defines offensive ,unless were living in a media contrlled information.when i woke up this morning europe was still a democracy. or has it changed in the media opinion anaylsis.there is a saying "if you dont like the heat stay out of the kitchen"
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Wow! Dramatic Homosexuals? How odd...
Submitted by Vegas (not verified) on Wed, 12/11/2008 - 17:09.The people have spoken. Twice now. Put away the whistles and banners and deal with it.
Vegas
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Yes people have spoken ,
Submitted by Têtuniçois (not verified) on Wed, 12/11/2008 - 18:07.Yes people have spoken , like a long time ago when the people vote segragation ....blacks in one place , white on the other place .
Gays in a place , straights in an other place ....
I HAVE A DREAM ....
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gay = hate
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 12/11/2008 - 23:23.Clearly through your message your for hate and segregation we have no room for that in America! People like you don't belong in a free country like ours if you promote such things...face it you lost stop crying about it - you can still express love to your partner no one is stopping you so why do you complain!?! try again next time. Your message of hate will only back fire on yourself! PS. Don't ever use I have a dream because it wasn't intended for your message of hate!
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I am gay but i don't want to
Submitted by Têtuniçois (not verified) on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 00:54.I am gay but i don't want to forbid marriage for mormons ; on the opposite the hate and homophobic mormon sect fight against gay rights .
YOU MAKE SEGREGATION .
i have dream homophobic people like you are going in a museum . Your time is over . GAME OVER .
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Oh Please is that the best
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 01:44.Oh Please is that the best you can do!? Haven't you seen the 6 o'clock news YOU LOST WE WON!! We're not the ones on the streets crying about it like a baby!! So go home LOOSER!
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Moderation
Submitted by Team Observers on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 15:30.We don't censor comments much. But please respect other people's opinions and make constructive comments.
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Why don't you censor the
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 09:53.Why don't you censor the comment below!?! I see how one sided this has become! You speak of respecting others opinions yeah right! You can't get any worse than that!
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