For our Observers the face-off between Sen. Joe Biden and Gov. Sarah Palin was much better than the presidential debate. For some it was a tie, for the others Palin clearly won the battle if not the war.
"Biden attacked all the time"
Jim Wilkinson, Business owner, Mercedes TX (Republican)
It was a tie. The points are even.A mistake from less experienced-Palin was expected. But her biggest mistake was she didn’t attack enough. On the contrary, Biden attacked all the time. She was quite mechanical in the form. But she had to because she was facing a 35-years experienced politician. She wanted to seem like an average American."
Tim Kenney, Branding consultant, Bethesda, Maryland (Democrat)
Wow. This debate was MUCH better than the Presidential debate, even though Palin basically told the Moderator that she wasn’t going to answer any questions. Good tactic. It kept Palin from stepping into the mud of ignorance.
Tim Kenney watched the Palin-Biden debate with his friends and family
Interesting that to win this debate, all Palin had to do was show up and not fumble.
Biden was his usual best. Confident, extremely knowledgeable, and thank God not condescending to Palin the way McCain was to Obama. Did you see the hesitation and tear in his eye when he started talking about his injured sons and being a single parent. Very moving.
I'm so glad Biden brought up the “maverick” question. Sort of like watching a Gunslinger throw a coin in the air and shoot it in the middle. McCain ISN’T a maverick, he’s a staunch right-wing, pro-big oil Republican, and Palin is... well... Palin is just scary. Adorable, but scary."
Edgar Thorton, Director of a college department, Iowa city (Republican)
Governor Palin looked strong, smart and warm. Sure Senator Biden is experienced but Governor Palin held her own against a guy who went to the U.S. Senate when she was in second grade.Let's face it: she, me, you and anyone else would face a tall order facing off with a Washington insider like Biden who has been in the US Senate since the early 1970's.
But Governor Palin showed how she could get up to speed with the issues and even challenge him on some issues. Biden was Biden, an insider who has done everything and been everywhere over a 35-year career. Biden did what he had to do for Obama.
But I am extremely pleased Governor Palin passed the test and showed that she can represent us - the average people of America's Heartland and the Western U.S.
I loved Palin's mainstreet America speak. I was extremely delighted with Governor Palin's comments about personal responsibility and fighting corruption in Washington and that this Wall Street fiasco is not our fault.
I believe her appearance connected with regular everyday Americans. Her common sense comments tell me this woman will one day be the actual leader of my party - the Republican Party. I loved her at the convention and I think she will be a refreshing voice for change in Washington. She passed !"
Ernesto Haibi, US Army medic, Copperas Cove TX (former Republican, now Democrat)
Seeing this through the eyes of an American voter, Biden lost. He gave facts,
numbers, and trumped Palin several times with facts about McCain's voting
record. She gave rhetoric, tugged heartstrings, and used the standard
buzzwords.
VICTORY IN IRAQ.
WE'LL FIX THE ECONOMY.
I AM A
MOM.
Sadly most people will follow the fluff into the dryer's lint trap.
When you give hard numbers and facts versus trite rhetorical political language
you will lose most people. Like the man said, never confuse them with the
facts.
As for the outsider nonsense, when I go to the doctor I want the
one who graduated top of his class, is a member of every certifying board, and
has been practicing for a few years. Not the one who just graduated and has his
diploma in the most expensive frame."
Alexander Stone Dale, Taxi driver, Manhattan NY (Republican)
Everybody’s looking for flubs so here’s one (sorry about the bold) so here’s one - Biden said he warned Bush about allowing the ‘West Bank’ to hold elections that Hamas would win.
That’s the Gaza Strip Joe – Not the west Bank!When Palin said that Barack Obama’s troop withdrawal plan was ‘Waving The White Flag Of Surrender” I almost fell out of my chair – Good thing I’m on a sofa.
When Joe Biden said nuclear Pakistan was more dangerous than Iran because of its 7000 Madrassa’s and we should build schools there – Ah – Madrassa’s are schools Joe! 3. Those Pakistani Madrassas are built with Saudi money. Make America energy independent and we cut off some of that Saudi Money. So “drill Now Drill here” Joe
I loved it when Moderator Gwen Ifull repeated that stupid Jim Leher question “what promises will a bad economy make you cut back on and Palin said “I’ve only been campaigning five weeks. I haven’t made enough promises yet to have to cut back on anything.” Sorry it was: “I’ve only been campaigning five weeks so I haven’t promised much Gwen so there’s not much I won’t be able to deliver.” (just went to my notes)
Also Palin: “You keep talking about Exxon BUT I TOOK THEM ON” was priceless.
When Biden wouldn’t shut up about Bush, bush, bush and Palin says “Enough is enough on looking backwards for a ticket talking about change.” (Damnnn!)
“I am such a Washington outsider, I’m just not used to the way you operate there.” Biden spoke over the people to them. Palin spoke from among the people to them. She kicked ass irregardless of Biden.
Linda Sharp, Parenting writer, Austin TX (Independent)
I give Palin credit. She crammed for her exam. The problem is, she never took the class.She had her talking points, had memorized how to pronounce Ahmadinejad (but sadly is still a graduate of the George Bush School of Pronunciation when it came to NU-CU-LAR - mispronounced TEN times.), and looked good on camera, but that's where her strengths ended.
Linda Sharp and her three daughters screamed at the TV when Sarah Palin pronounced it NU-CU-LER.
Her folksy schtick - the bad grammar, the "Heck, yeah"s, the dropping of the endings of so many words, the constant I'm-one-of-you-ing grated my nerves like a block of fresh Parmesan.
And judging by CNN's audience reaction meter at the bottom of my screen (this time of Undecided voters in Ohio), I was not alone. The meter dropped like an Alaskan moose turd every time she started to speak.
For the first twenty minutes of the debate, she never truly answered the questions being asked of her, even finally stating, "I may not answer the question the way the moderator or you wants me to, but I'm gonna talk straight to the American people." About herself.
That was the overriding thrust of her part of the debate: constantly drag us all up to Alaska to talk about her great achievements in a state with a population less than that of San Diego, California - and remind us that she and McCain are "mavericks." But as the title above states - she is a puddle, ergo her depth is not even worthy of water wings.
Biden, on the other hand, is an ocean. He is a statesman. He has experience, he has decades of foreign policy knowledge, decades of real world interaction with real world consequences. He was able to intelligently and confidently speak to every subject broached by Gwen Ifill.
More importantly, having been in the Senate with McCain for so long, he was able to directly rebut the lies and warpings of votes Palin tried to bring up. More importantly, he was able to speak extemporaneously because he knows how to think on his feet and has vast knowledge upon which to draw.
Palin constantly dragged the discussions back to what were obviously carefully scripted talking points, items pounded into her memory by advisors over the past weeks, cutesy terms that were must-say, like "Darn right", "Joe Six Pack", and "Hockeymom." I give her this much - she presented herself much better than anything we have seen in any interview up to this point.
She was prepped well. But cramming for a debate, and regurgitating information you have been spoon-fed is a far cry from being prepared to hit the ground running on Inauguration Day. If I'm going to jump in headfirst in terms of my vote, I choose the party with the depth to insure I won't break my neck. For me, my vote is with Obama-Biden."
Julissa Reynoso, Attorney, New York (Democrat)
This debate is much more enlightening than the presidential debate.It was a very energetic engagement. Biden and Palin present their respective sides in a way that Americans can clearly make out the differences between the Democratic and Republican tickets.
The questions are direct and leading, allowing for differences in policy objectives and philosophies to be revealed and scrutinized.
Biden's experience in foreign policy matters is obvious and he demonstrated total control of those questions. Palin showed, however, that she has been studying the issues and is more competent than some members of the chattering class are willing to acknowledge. And, of course, Palin has a persona that simply connects with regular voters.
However, philosophically and, indeed, in practical terms, Biden's substantive answers were superior. Biden more clearly than Palin laid out a concrete plan of action (incorporating economic recovery, diplomacy, energy independence, healthcare reform, and on and on) which has material possibilities of helping us Americans recover from our current state of dispair."
Comments
Sarah Palin
Submitted by Inmate (not verified) on Mon, 20/10/2008 - 17:08.Is it just me or is Sarah not very, very attractive (and I dont mean her policies).
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American History Lesson
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Sun, 05/10/2008 - 04:28.In the debate Senator Biden claimed responsibility for instituting a check of ideology for supreme court nominees. This is contrary to our constitution and the tradition of accepting presidential nominees based on credentials. You may think a socialist America will be a better partner but check whose party is more likely to and actually has initiated a war. If your ideology is not in lockstep with these folks you are at as much risk as anyone else.
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Little sarah , don't you
Submitted by Têtuniçois (not verified) on Sat, 04/10/2008 - 09:08.Little sarah , don't you know god doesn't exist ? it's a story for kids . How old are you ?
Lesson number 1 : http://atheisme.free.fr/Atheism.htm
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Atheistic Blind Faith
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 08/10/2008 - 18:39.It takes more faith to not believe in a God when you actually look at all the facts.
http://www.creationworldview.org/articles.asp
http://www.drdino.com/articles.php
http://www.icr.org/
Don't take my word for it. Research it yourself.
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LOL you funny.
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Tue, 07/10/2008 - 22:04.See you on the other side.
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Parrot NOT Pitbull
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Sat, 04/10/2008 - 08:34.Sarah Palin is NO pitbull with lipstick. More like a parrot who can learn her lines but has no idea what she is actually saying. If something happens to the sitting President of the USA who do you want with their finger on the trigger - Joe Biden or Pretty Polly?
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Parrot?
Submitted by Alexander Dale (not verified) on Sun, 05/10/2008 - 00:00.Considering Joe Biden’s one man mistake machine he could have done with parroting facts and the truth every once and a while during his embarrassing debate performance.
Oh that’s right – your side is only concerned with the appearance of being right.
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Palin the Parrot
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Sun, 05/10/2008 - 13:56.'Our side' as you call it isnt about being right - its about being just. The failed bailout for the corrupt & greedy banking system is being paid for by ordinary working people. To allow the likes of McCain & Palin back into office would be like handing over the keys of the asylum to the inmates
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Sarah indead isn't a
Submitted by Gerard Niels (not verified) on Sat, 04/10/2008 - 10:52.Sarah indead isn't a pittbull. I'am from the Netherlands and hope dat for sake of the rest of the world Sarah Palin will not be the next VP of the USA. She is nice and very common but i don't see her standing strong with leaders from other country's. She's is not strong enough for being a VP. America's image in the world is on a alltime low and will even get lower with McCain and Palin.
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Common?
Submitted by Alexander Dale (not verified) on Sun, 05/10/2008 - 00:05.Its time you European snobs learned that ‘nice and common’ is the antidote for Fascism.
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by Fascism, did you mean
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Mon, 06/10/2008 - 17:24.by Fascism, did you mean "bushism?"
I do not see how you can consider this type of "nice and common" people actually able to rule a country like the US, it is irresponsible to let the governor of an icy remote region stand on this stage.
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Palin vs Biden
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Fri, 03/10/2008 - 21:41.Thought it was a draw for the debaters. Palin didn't disgrace herself. Biden came across as very human and caring and didn't put his foot in his mouth as he can sometimes do. HOWEVER...the moderator was the WORST I have ever seen. Bad questions. Often the questions didn't even make any sense. Both candidates had to have been doing the Happy Dance after the debate b/c they weren't challenged in the least.
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Six Pack Palin
Submitted by save America (not verified) on Fri, 03/10/2008 - 20:09.What does the "6-pack" part of "joe-6-pack" mean? A 6 pack of diet coke or Schnapple? I think not. The first image that comes to my mind is a partly-shaven, couch potato, six-pack-of-beer-a-night, uneducated, blue-collar farting slob wearing a dirty wife-beater t-shirt. And his wife is probably a "hockey-mom"?? At the very least it implies a lower-class citizen and is a depreciative term as opposed to "average-joe" or "Jane Doe" for example. So that is what the Republican campaign thinks us average middle-class Americans?!? I for one reject their insulting labels and the scripted catch phrases that Palin has been taught to memorize & repeat. Just how "stupid" do they think we "average Americans" are?
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re results
Submitted by Unregistered user joseph walker (not verified) on Fri, 03/10/2008 - 18:16.Passed in what ,must be totally devoid of intelligence,regarding the opinions of the broadcasting media ,ie Britain and america,yet to find ny thing intelligent they say,and the masses,they just as politically ignorant.anyway the proof is in the results ,american foriegn policy.apart from europe which dosnt matter,the rest. Latin America, Africa,Georgia, russia,middle east.china ,korea,pakistan .phillipines ,indonesia.how many in the masses of these countries have any have regard for the american choice of support .most of the people of these countries excluding china and russia its people think very little for the support america has given to thier elected leaders .they all in political turmoil.so the conclusion america would be better educated if its choice of supporting its leaders where the true representaion of the people of these countries.
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Palin as Pol
Submitted by Olanta SC retiree (not verified) on Fri, 03/10/2008 - 15:03.Interesting that Palin actually made it through the almost 2 hour "debate" without losing it totally. Also interesting that Biden called into question the "maverick" stance of the Republican candidates. There are many in Texas who are furious that he uses this moniker because it has a very different translation when compared to the original maverick politician from Texas history. I'm pleased that candidates and moderator did not devolve into uncivil behavior. Clear choices were offered at the end of the evening. The American people really are smart enough to comprehend what many pundits call Biden's Senate-speak. Nobody was fooled into thinking substance loses over folksy charm.
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I would vote for Palin for PTA Vice President, not for USA!
Submitted by Maisey (not verified) on Fri, 03/10/2008 - 13:38.Gov. Palin is big on sound bites and hubris but lacks any ability to argue up to the level needed to run a country. Sen. Biden was impressive with a vast knowledge of the world which is exactly what one would expect for a Vice President or President, if needed. He knew of which he spoke... Palin was clearly out of her league.
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Sarah Palin's frozen smile
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 08/10/2008 - 01:51.How is it that where ever Sarah Palin appears, she immediately breaks out into
a frozen smile. This leads me to think that this is her modus operendi. But for any talent, I don't think that Sarah Palin has any at all. Why doesn't Sarah Palin take a Laxative? If she did it would wipe the smile off her face and the election would be lost for John McCain
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