A photomontage circulating on russian blogs.The crater is on Poland.
The Georgian War and the subsequent missile defense deployment in Poland and the Czech Republic have stirred up Russian bloggers. Many vent their frustration through hawkish comments and nostalgia of Soviet military might.
Picture posted by Stanislav "Afrikanych" Ulyanov.
Writing above: "Our Policy". Writing below: "NATO"
Igor Frolov, journalist and veteran of the Afghan war.
It's time
to stop waiting nervously for them to start loving us. They never will. We have
to become the people they paint us. But we must preserve our justice at the
same time. Our next moves should go as follows: don't lose the tempo. If
Yuschenko wants our military ships to ask for permission to enter Sebastopol,
we should immediately start the procedure of claiming back the city that never
was an administrative part of Crimea. The
claim to return Crimea would be the next move.
Then we should advise those who it concerns that any increase in military power - such as building an anti-missile system in Poland - would be punished by destroying these excesses with spot or carpet bombings, depending on the situation.
Then we should demand to exclude all the countries bordering with Russia from NATO. If they refuse, we should aim missiles at Europe and create military bases in Cuba, Venezuela and all the American countries with which we can reach agreements.
All international media should broadcast a long and detailed speech by our President about our achievements in the liberation and protection of other nations - Bulgaria, Armenia, also Georgia and the whole of Europe - from various invaders; about our role as their champions, about our vision of democracy, about the continental security which we guarantee. It leads to prohibiting other states from interference, at least of the military kind, in European affairs. The clear explanation comes from the provocative role of the US, which keeps stirring up trouble in our continent. This would lead to the exclusion of the US from NATO as an undesirable alien.
To sum up, we should be tough. You want a nuclear war? We're up for it. Let's see what they say after such a statement.
We should become bad. Only that would stop the bastards who don't understand where they're pushing the world.
That's a little bit chaotic, but I'm just improvising. If we're afraid of the war, like in 1941, it will come. If we're not, it will be a cold war. We are not afraid of the cold; we have fossil fuels.
But our leaders are much smarter than me. We will quietly retreat to our previous positions, and even further, as always. I really want to be wrong about it."
Originally posted in Russian here.
Yuri Jakor is a young political activist in the "Nashi" youth movement. He's the co-founder of the Young Leaders Club of St-Petersburg
"The anniversary of the
Prague events
of August 1968 has come very much "on time". Understandably, not many in Russia remember
Jan Palach [Czech student who killed himself by self-immolation in January 1969
in protest against Soviet occupation]. At most, they recall the fact that our
tanks rolled into Prague.
Nobody wants to remember the details. The slogan "Respect your own
constitution" doesn't tell us much. This is probably due to Russia's
perennial legal nihilism, and to its no less traditional memory slips.But the West remembers, going so far as to compare 1968 with the present situation in South Ossetia. It's evident that the comparison is born out of thin air. The only fact that connects these two events is the presence of Russian tanks. But beyond that, it's rather symbolic. The Prague events showed the world that the Soviet Union was ready to protect its interests and would provide strong answers to those allies who set out for the other camp. Russian tanks didn't roll into the streets of Tbilisi, but the Kremlin doesn't mumble about Georgian territorial integrity anymore. And something tells me that [Moldavian President] Vladimir Voronin and Ukraine's Viktor Yushchenko should rethink their behavior. [Moldova's] Transdnistria province has been wanting to join Russia for a long time, and Crimean separatism can suddenly grow stronger.
BTW - Are we finally going to install our missiles in Cuba as an answer to the American missiles in Poland, or what? "
Originally posted in Russian here.
Konstantin Tedeyev is CEO of AKP recruiting company and teaches management at the Urals State Technical University in Yekaterinburg, in eastern Russia.
"I can't understand why the US is trying so hard to place its anti-missile systems everywhere. First, they tried to provide a plausible explanation - some danger coming from the Middle East (though even then Putin pointed out that these countries do not have the kind of missiles the US was keen to protect itself from). But now, after the events in Georgia, which they call "the Russian aggression", Washington has accelerated negotiations with Poland without even trying to cover its real intentions.I can't understand why the country, which is going through a grave economic crisis and has a huge foreign debt, is trying to start an arms race. It's obvious that Russia will find (or rather has already found) an answer. Negotiations with Belarus about deploying brand new defence systems are already underway. The Syrian president has already agreed on principle to place the Iskander missile complexes in his country. A new base for long-range bombers is planned in the Kaliningrad region, and some say these bombers already land in Cuba.
While it's at least possible to debate who started the fire in South Ossetia. In this case it's absolutely obvious that it's the US who started the arms race, while Russia has been extremely reserved. I'm increasingly coming to believe that the US wants to start a war with Russia for its energy sources but doesn't yet know how to go about it."
Originally posted in Russian here.
Pavel is a student in Moscow.
Why is everybody so
concerned about the radar? NATO has already been on Russia's doorstep for the past 15
years - in the Baltic region. Russia
will much sooner be destroyed by economic collapse and top-down power
structure. Guys, you never learn. The USSR collapsed without a single shot
being fired by invaders. On its own! The mechanics of self-destruction are
quite simple: an economy dependent on raw materials, combined with the
clumsiness of central authorities and the creation of regional power elites. We
have it all at the moment. In Kazan [capital of the
Russian Republic of Tatarstan], they're even
building a monument to the defenders of the city against the troops of Tsar
Ivan IV. Our authorities lost control of the situation a long time ago. Oil and
gas have replaced everything else for us. Everything is ready - a single push
(oil prices are already dropping, by the way) will lead to agony. Americans
don't even need to move a finger; everything will collapse by itself. You are
looking for enemies in the wrong place. They are not in Washington; they are right here!"Originally posted in Russian here.
Olga, a Russian currently studying in Berlin.
The USA has reached an agreement with Poland about the anti-missile system, and Russia:1) Invited its friend the Syrian president, who "totally agrees with the Russian position"
2) Said that it "will rebuild the Iraqi oil industry."
I'm afraid to even comment on it.
On the other side... Who else had a chance to see the rise, fall and resurrection of a great totalitarian empire? I'm talking about Russia. The USA shouldn't occupy themselves with the anti-missile defense, but with freeing the world from oil and gas addiction. But they are lobbied. It's impossible to withstand the money torture.
The ORT TV has finished me, as I was writing this. "Georgia can't count its military casualties. For such a small country, 200-300 soldiers is a very serious loss."
Yes, sure. It's not us, a superpower that can easily spend a million lives. Do they understand on ORT what exactly they're saying? I'm afraid they do."
Comments
"Looking for nuclear war?
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Tue, 26/08/2008 - 17:26."Looking for nuclear war? Bring it on" - lost in translation!!!
it shold be translated from Russian as "Looking for nuclear war? We are ready!"
another point is Igor Frolov's words : "о наших заслугах в освобождении и сберегании всяческих народов - болгар, армян, тех же грузин, всей Европы от периодически возникающих завоевателей, о нашей роли защитника"
are translated as : "detailing Russia's past achievements in liberating and protecting other nations - including Georgia and indeed all of Europe"
but it showld be like that : "detailing Russia's past achievements in liberating and protecting other nations - Bulgaria, Armenia, including Georgia and indeed all of Europe from different agressors, about we are protector "
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war
Submitted by Maya weiner (not verified) on Sat, 13/09/2008 - 06:52.I agree with you Netherlands!RUSSIANS CAN HIDE THEIR AGGRESSION,THEIR BRAINS ARE SOAKED WITH ALCOHOL.LOOK IN RUSSIAN HISTORY EVERY LEADER WHO COMES AS A HEAD OF THE GOVERNMENT,RUSSIANS NEVER HAVE OPPOSITE VIEW,THEY'RE FOLLOWING LIKE STUPID SHEEP.THEY HAVE NO THE SENSE OF WHAT IS GOOD OR BAD.
EVERYBODY ASKS AMERICA HELP WHEN THEY ARE IN TROUBLE.IF ANY DISASTER IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD,WHO HELPS WITH MONEY?AMERICA!
I AM ASKING ALL NATION SHOW ME THAT COUNTRY WHERE RUSSIANS STEP IN AND BUILD THAT COUNTRY?OR BRING HAPPINESS?RUSSIANS BRINGS ONLY STARVING AND POVERTY AND CORRUPTION !
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Yes, Russian built always
Submitted by Igor Frolov on Sat, 13/09/2008 - 16:13.Yes, Russian built always and everywhere to the detriment of themselves, did it disinterestedly unlike the West. Russian always lived worse, than other republics USSR, always were donors.
Maya, you where live? Ukraine?
Igor Frolov
Rssian buillt always?
Submitted by Maya Weiner (not verified) on Sat, 13/09/2008 - 23:21.No I live in USA and I know what means free and excelent life!I feel as a human been,and we have our right here not like you and Russians under the preasure of KGB.If the Russia so good builder and conserns about own people why everybody when gets a chance runs to America and in Europe? Russia never donating other republics,they only grabed from others and pay kopeks to worker people.All money were going for gain weapons and millitary since 1945.Russia donated only Cuba, when Russia made battlefield to fight against USA. and by the way who built Cuba?Americans, and then they went against USA.Now Cuba is under flooding and asks help to America hahaha so funny.Russians are only demagogy builder,did you forget Mister Frolov Russias brain wash "WEST AND AMERICA IS ENEMY,SOVIET UNION IS GOOD"?And still they continue with this slogan.Russia well known as poison donors and not as a builders!all world knows they are 90% agressor soles.
http://www3.ndr.de/ndrtv_pages_video/0,,SPM2362_VID4964050,00.html
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Nuclear war
Submitted by Unregistered user on Wed, 27/08/2008 - 21:05.I am just a normal working man with a family in Holland. We do not want a war, we hope everybody will smile and shake hands with each other every day.
Politics, please look to your people, how will they look after a nuclear war when there is nothing left to live with. And all we have worked so hard for is gone. Gentleman please use your head ans speek with your hart.
Thank you. Peter Christiaan. The Netherlands.
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Russia's Achilles Heel
Submitted by Lenka Hodkova (not verified) on Tue, 26/08/2008 - 02:17.No need to invoke the nuclear option.
There is an interesting suggestion from Steve Levine. The Russians have a big weakness. The West should keep in mind Russia's Achilles Heel while dealing with Putin and Medvedev. Levine knows this area, having covered wars in Chechnya, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Tajikistan as well as the Soviet-Afghan war: http://oilandglory.com/2008/08/russias-achilles-heel.html
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When you can read all those
Submitted by Têtuniçois (not verified) on Tue, 26/08/2008 - 01:10.When you can read all those nationalists , fascists and dangerous messages from russians members of the POUTINE parti , we undestand why is so urgent to put NATO missils in Poland .Poutine and his troops are very dangerous .
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The amendment
Submitted by Unregistered user on Tue, 26/08/2008 - 18:49.I'm Igor Frolov (I can not be registered)/
I wish to tell that on this page my text is cut down. For example, after words "You want a nuclear war? We're up to it. Let's see what they say after such a statement", I have written: "We should become bad. And only it will stop ugly creatures who do not understand where they push the world". This important addition.
Europe serves the loony. Europe, it is not a shame to you? It is a sexual distortion - to love the idiot.
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Seems you're afraid again?
Submitted by Zamp (not verified) on Tue, 26/08/2008 - 18:08.Well, 600 years Russia moved West - from 100km out or Moscow in 1380 to Magdeburg in 1945.
Those 600 years Europe had seen fall of dozen empires - Turkish, Mogol, China, Bysantiym, Inka, British, Spanish, Austrian, German etc. But Russia kept moveing West, steady, 3 km a year, with cossacs riding streets of Vienna, Warsaw, Berlin, Stockholm or Paris some times...
And yes, this movement was scary enogh to explain why Europe was so afraid of Russia. And why Europe (and Canada, Australia, US like part of European culture) allways tried to restrict Russia.
What happened next? In less than 15 years Europe push back - NATO moved from Magdeburg to Vilnius and Riga, 70 km a year! Isn't that enough reason for Russians to feel at least non-confident about Europe?
You'd like to see NATO missiles in Poland? Well, we thought our tanks in Magdeburg was good for us also.
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I am Canadien.From my point
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Mon, 25/08/2008 - 21:26.I am Canadien.From my point of view,I am sick of reading about all the illegal war that the US are provoking.They are spending trillions of dollars on war.Most of it go to private organization,meanwhile the American population are loosing their shirt real fast.Not to mention their freedom.
Everything you hear from the media in America is nothing but lies.And 90% of the population believe them.Since the population of the US are asleep,watching tv,eating mcdonald crap,hypnotised by the christian religion,stoned on prescription drugs,they will not do anything to get rid of the MOSSAD controling the government.The US needs a revolution.Before the november election.It won't happen.So I beg you Russia,please help us,I invite you to come here and BLAST THE .... OUT of this arrogant country.I have one condition,make shure that you make a special delevery in Tel Aviv.The mossad needs to pay.Because they actually are the masterminds behind most conflits on this planet.If you don't believe me,I suggest you research the Bildeberg group.They want to create a new world order.One of their goal is to eliminate 80% of the population.
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War
Submitted by Unregistered user on Wed, 27/08/2008 - 21:09.You proberbly are un happy and do not have a family.
The only one that can bring changes are the people in the US like you.
So please smile, be happy.
Peter Christiaan. Holland.
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US Elections & the Republican Poker Game
Submitted by Rado (not verified) on Mon, 25/08/2008 - 22:44.The current tensions between US and Russia have to be put into context of the upcoming US elections. Republicans are playing their "War" cards. They are currently in power and they have absolutely nothing to offer to US voters but the War. They are "the protectors of the freedom and democracy " in the world and are engaging in more and more conflicts. US government is a group of puppets in the hands of the US defense industry. It is unbelievable, how the Bush Theatre Company managed to destroy the reputation of USA in the last 10 years. It will take twice as much time to fix the current situation.
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War games
Submitted by Arise (Russia) (not verified) on Sat, 30/08/2008 - 10:33.So, its worldly relevant for Russia to be free from the USA war games. Why our soldiers have to die for votes of American candidates? Why Russia have to consider USA interests behind our borders. Fnd its neessary to Russia minimalise USA influence at our border space. Because its influence cannot give for us our for their countries nothing good
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Elections
Submitted by Unregistered user on Wed, 27/08/2008 - 21:12.So we all hope in europe that you send mr. Bush to his home.
It will bring a nice world.
Peter Christiaan.
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