28/03/2008 / NETHERLANDS
I can't believe
now how over excited everyone got about the film before it was released. I saw
the film last night and it's rubbish. It's nothing new either; just a
collection of videos found on YouTube with the usual Wilders comments. I really
expected something worse. Dutch Muslims are used to this kind of provocation,
and we decided well before it came out that we would not react. The Muslim
community has moved on since the Van Gogh years. We've learnt how not to respond
to this type of provocation.
I don't
think Wilders' film will start any demonstrations or riots in Holland. It's just not that controversial. He's
taken archived images that we've already seen. Even his supporters seem
disappointed, because the film doesn't bring anything in comparison with the
anti-Islam films that are already on the net. Maybe they were hoping for a film
that just attacked normal Muslims; not al Qaeda supporters or Imams. A bit like
the Nazi film "The Eternal Jew", released in the early 1940s, that stigmatised
Jews as the underclass. In fact, Wilders was quite cautious. He showed the most
controversial of the Danish cartoons, the one with the prophet with a bomb in
his turban. But even though the fuse is lit, the bomb doesn't go off. Wilders
in fact explained to the media that the sound at the end of the film is thunder and not an explosion. And the sound of the pages being torn was
apparently not done with a copy of the Koran but just the sound of a page torn out of a phone book.
The first
thing that I have to say is that I can't believe he dares to call this a film!
It's nothing more than a PowerPoint presentation. So far I've heard nothing in Pakistan. But
I'm sure by the evening things will start happening. Of course there'll be a
violent backlash because it's irresponsibly childish and childish people will
react to it. The director might be protected but what of all the white people
who live in Muslim countries? Some might be slapped or punched, but one of them
might get killed. I expect Dutch products will be banned as Danish ones have
been. There'll certainly be protests here. But I hope there'll also be protests
from filmmakers for making such a bad film!"
The problem
with the film is that it's specifically targeting the Koran. The attack is not
only against the prophet Mohammed but this time, the whole concept of the
religion. The montage of the images of the Koran and maimed bodies is just too
direct. It's absolutely not true that Islam encourages terrorism and neither
that it was behind 9/11. The war is between armies, not religions.
Fitna is just a really bad film
A few months ago we announced that Dutch politician Geert Wilders was preparing an anti-Islamic film that would "add fuel to the fire". Yesterday, the long awaited video made its debut online. We ask our Observers what effects it might have in their countries, from Holland to Pakistan. After all the fuss, maybe not that much.
The film was supposed to be released on a specially created website, but the American company Network Solutions, which manages domain names worldwide, refused to allow Wilders to use Fitnathemovie.com. So the rightwing party leader decided to use the viral method instead. The film was released at 7pm last night on several internet platforms. "Non-censored" video sharing site LiveLeak was the first to host it, followed by Google Video. Rightwing blogs then posted the URLs so that people could find it. Wilders knew to use peer to peer networks (Kazaa, eMule etc) so that the video was soon all over the Internet in various formats. His was a clever move, as such networks are notoriously difficult to censor. In just three hours, the film had been watched more than a million times on LiveLeak alone, and three million by the following afternoon, which probably makes it one of the fastest selling videos on the net.
"I really expected something worse "
Umar Mirza is in charge of a public Muslim blog in the Netherlands:
I can't believe
now how over excited everyone got about the film before it was released. I saw
the film last night and it's rubbish. It's nothing new either; just a
collection of videos found on YouTube with the usual Wilders comments. I really
expected something worse. Dutch Muslims are used to this kind of provocation,
and we decided well before it came out that we would not react. The Muslim
community has moved on since the Van Gogh years. We've learnt how not to respond
to this type of provocation.
Wilders always shows the same teachings of radical imams in Holland. But they only represent a minority. For my part, I'm a Dutch Muslim. I like this country as it is and I hope Wilders will not be successful in dividing it."
"Everything could change if people in Muslim countries take it out on the Dutch embassies"
Carl Konigel, our Observer in Amsterdam:
I don't
think Wilders' film will start any demonstrations or riots in Holland. It's just not that controversial. He's
taken archived images that we've already seen. Even his supporters seem
disappointed, because the film doesn't bring anything in comparison with the
anti-Islam films that are already on the net. Maybe they were hoping for a film
that just attacked normal Muslims; not al Qaeda supporters or Imams. A bit like
the Nazi film "The Eternal Jew", released in the early 1940s, that stigmatised
Jews as the underclass. In fact, Wilders was quite cautious. He showed the most
controversial of the Danish cartoons, the one with the prophet with a bomb in
his turban. But even though the fuse is lit, the bomb doesn't go off. Wilders
in fact explained to the media that the sound at the end of the film is thunder and not an explosion. And the sound of the pages being torn was
apparently not done with a copy of the Koran but just the sound of a page torn out of a phone book.
This film is nothing extraordinary and it's even flawed. For example; the shots of Van Gogh's killer Mohammed Bouyeri that are shown are actually pictures of a Dutch rapper dressed up. The photos look alike; the filmmakers must have made a mistake. The rapper has said that he will take Wilders to court over the issue.
In the end, I don't think this film will provoke anything big in Holland. Wilders is untouchable. Nobody knows where he is and he'll stay in his bunker for the mean time. But everything could change if people in Muslim countries take it out on the Dutch embassies like they did over the cartoon affair."
"What will happen to white people who live in Muslim countries?"
Zaheer Kidvai is our Observer in Karachi, Pakistan:
The first
thing that I have to say is that I can't believe he dares to call this a film!
It's nothing more than a PowerPoint presentation. So far I've heard nothing in Pakistan. But
I'm sure by the evening things will start happening. Of course there'll be a
violent backlash because it's irresponsibly childish and childish people will
react to it. The director might be protected but what of all the white people
who live in Muslim countries? Some might be slapped or punched, but one of them
might get killed. I expect Dutch products will be banned as Danish ones have
been. There'll certainly be protests here. But I hope there'll also be protests
from filmmakers for making such a bad film!"
"The film is totally shocking"
Ahmed Gamal Eldin is one of our Observers in Cairo, Egypt:
The problem
with the film is that it's specifically targeting the Koran. The attack is not
only against the prophet Mohammed but this time, the whole concept of the
religion. The montage of the images of the Koran and maimed bodies is just too
direct. It's absolutely not true that Islam encourages terrorism and neither
that it was behind 9/11. The war is between armies, not religions.
The film is totally shocking. Not just for Muslim people; for anyone. I'm more worried about the implications it will have in the west. This will actually trigger more anger in occidental countries against Muslims than anger in Muslim countries. "
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what muslims should do now
Submitted by iblog4islam (not verified) on Thu, 03/04/2008 - 14:28.what muslims should do now is to stop arguing or blaming anyone but to start clarifying things--->
I just watched this so called documentary titled FITNA by Geert Wilders(laknatullahialaihim).May Allah someday opens his heart to see the truth.
This 'documentary' was clearly released to provoke hatred towards Islam especially among non Muslims.
In Fitna,even few verses from Al-Quran al Karim were shown and i felt that it is one of my duty to correct the misunderstandings that has been created by Fitna.
Eventhough i was filled with rage and anger upon watching this documentary,i solely believe that this evil Fitna was produced due to ignorance and misunderstandings about Islam.The people producing this 'documentary' may have other hidden agenda or they are just afraid of Islam.
The tile itself-Fitna means falsehood.
The verses of Al Quran that were shown are taken from various surahs and i can see that the producer was trying hard to convey that Islam proposed the killing of non Muslims.In simple words they were apparently trying to come out with 'proofs taken from the Quran itself' that Islam is a religion of terrorists.
a)surah 8 verse 60
You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.(8,60)
looking from this verse alone,those who do not understand or recite al-Quran properly will think that Allah asks the believer to attack the enemies of God(aka non Muslims) but this is totally not what this verse meant.
let's have a look at the verses before after this verse.
8:56] You reach agreements with them, but they violate their agreements every time; they are not righteous.
[8:57] Therefore, if you encounter them in war, you shall set them up as a deterrent example for those who come after them, that they may take heed.
[8:58] When you are betrayed by a group of people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not love the betrayers.
[8:59] Let not those who disbelieve think that they can get away with it; they can never escape.
[8:60] You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.
[8:61] If they resort to peace, you also incline to it,so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
these verses merely teaches Muslims how to deal with the non believers who VIOLATE THE AGREEMENTS that are made among those two.
IF the VIOLATION LEADS to WAR then only Muslims are supposed to fight back in order to teach them a lesson(so that they will not violate any agreements that are made)
Allah indeed hates betrayers and if the non believers BETRAY their promises there is no reason why Muslims should trust them.
However,eventhough Allah asks Muslims to GET READY and PREPARE to fight the INJUSTICE by war,if the non believers WANTED PEACE Muslims should accept it and put their trust in Allah.
2)surah 4 verse 56
Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
This is as if to show that The God of Muslims are very cruel and what?Muslims are that good?Non Muslims will burn in hell?This shall be stopped!-more or less this is what the producer trying to convey.
let us see a more complete version of this.(verse 51-57)
[4:51]Have you noted those received a portion of the scripture(Taurat and Gospel), and how they believe in idolatry and false doctrine, then say, "The disbelievers are better guided than the believers?!"
[4:52] It is they who incurred GOD's condemnation, and whomever GOD condemns, you will not find any helper for him.
[4:53] Do they own a share of the sovereignty(power to rule)? If they did, they would not give the people as much as a grain.
[4:54] Are they envious of the people(Muhammad and his followers) because GOD has showered them with His blessings? We have indeed given Abraham's family the scripture, and wisdom; we granted them a great authority.
[4:55] Some of them believed therein, and some of them repelled therefrom; Hell is the only just retribution for these.
[4:56] Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
[4:57] As for those who believe and lead a righteous life, we will admit them into gardens with flowing streams; they abide therein forever. They will have pure spouses therein. We will admit them into a blissful shade.
Actually this verse is about the teachings of faith and how the people who have received revelations from Allah deny the truth that has been sent to them.
It is true that Taurat and Gospel are words of Allah.But there has been corrupts and injustice done towards the Books that they have been altered by irresponsible party.They do not want to admit that Muhammad is the last Messenger of Allah and do not accept Islam as the true religion from Allah.
And for those who has done this Allah promised a severe chastisement that is the Hell fire and to picture how painful it is,Allah says everytime their skin are burnt Allah will replace a new skin for them so that they will in a continuous pain.
Allah has given evidences,verses,lessons,signs,and revelations not only towards Muslims but to all mankind.It is only whether or not the teaching reaches you and if it reaches you whether or not you want to believe it.It is up to you to practice any religion as stated in surah 109 verse 1 to 6.
[109:1] Say, "O you disbelievers.
[109:2] "I do not worship what you worship.
[109:3] "Nor do you worship what I worship.
[109:4] "Nor will I ever worship what you worship.
[109:5] "Nor will you ever worship what I worship.
[109:6] "To you is your religion, and to me is my religion."
And also in surah 2 verse 256
[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
Thus for us as a Muslim,it is our duty to spread the teachings of Islam to non believers because we don't want them to be punished in the Hell fire forever and we do not want them to be deceived by the so called Holy book of theirs which has been altered by irresposible parties.
However,still the beauty of Islam is that Muslims are not supposed to force non believers to convert into Islam and if the message has been received by them yet they do not want to accept it,it is still up to the non believers to practice their religion for Allah has given us mind to think.
3)surah 47 verse 4
[47:4] If you encounter (in war-Jihad in Allah's cause) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks till you have killed and wounded many of them. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. Had GOD willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of GOD, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.
By showing this verse(plus not showing the bracket),the producer clearly wants people to think that Islam teaches its believers to slay any non believers they meet.In the documentary the verse is not even complete:
(Therefore when ye meet the unbelievers,smite at their necks and when ye have caused a blood bath among them,bind a bond firmly on them)
How cruel and terrible Islam iS!-according to what they have shown above.
The more longer and complete version of surah muhammad is:
[47:1] Those who disbelieve(in Oneness of Allah and the Message of prophet Muhammad) and repel from the path of GOD, He nullifies their works.
[47:2] Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment.
[47:3] This is because those who disbelieve are following falsehood, while those who believe are following the truth from their Lord. GOD thus cites for the people their examples.
[47:4] If you encounter (in war-Jihad in Allah's cause) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks till you have killed and wounded many of them. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. Had GOD willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of GOD, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.
[47:5] He will guide them, and bless them with contentment.
[47:6] He will admit them into Paradise, that He described to them.
[47:7] O you who believe, if you support GOD, He will support you, and strengthen your foothold.
[47:8] Those who disbelieve incur misery; He causes their works to be utterly in vain.
[47:9] That is because they hated what GOD revealed and consequently, He nullifies their works.
[47:10] Did they not roam the earth and see the consequences for those before them? GOD destroyed their works; all disbelievers will suffer the same fate.
This surah is to teach Muslims how to deal with non believers who threatened them and who try to hinder men from the path of Allah.Allah gives permission to kill this kind of non believers if it happens to be a war between those two.Allah even allows Muslims to strike their necks in wars to show how Allah hates this kind of people as they not only disbelief in Allah but they also wants other to follow them and they always find ways by any means to stop Islam from spreading.
And Allah teaches Muslims how to deal with hostages from war that is either to set them free if they are not dangerous to Muslims or to set them free by ransom in order to teach them a lesson.Sadly enough,many media has labelled Islam as terrorist that 'the Muslims will even smite hostages,woman,children or anyone as long as they are non believers'.Even there are some rules to be followed by Muslims during the war like they are forbidden to kill pregnant woman,small children,old people,people who are not capable to battle etc.Those are falsehood indeed(fitna!) the title of the documentary that is.
Allah clearly has reminded believers that there will be non believers who always spread hatred towards Islam as they do not like what Allah has sent to them like Al Quran ,Islamic laws etc (FORBIDDING GAY FOR EXAMPLE?)
4) surah 4 verse 89
[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.
Again the producer of fitna tries to convey that Islam is not a friendly religion.Islam orders believers to kill none believers and their version are even worse:
(they but wish that ye should reject faith as they do and thus be on the same footing as they,so take not friends among their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah.But if they turn renegades seize them and kill them whenever ye find them and take no friends or helpers among their ranks)
As if whenever you find non believers,kill them,owh how cruel a religion might be?
Let us see a fuller version of this surah:
[4:82] Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.
[4:83] When a rumor that affects security comes their way, they spread it. Had they referred it to the messenger, and those in charge among them, those who understand these matters would have informed them. If it were not for GOD's grace towards you, and His mercy, you would have followed the devil, except a few.
[4:84] You shall fight for the cause of GOD; you are responsible only for your own soul, and exhort the believers to do the same. GOD will neutralize the power of those who disbelieve. GOD is much more powerful, and much more effective.
[4:85] Whoever mediates a good deed receives a share of the credit thereof, and whoever mediates an evil work, incurs a share thereof. GOD controls all things.
[4:86] When greeted with a greeting, you shall respond with a better greeting or at least an equal one. GOD reckons all things.
[4:87] GOD: there is no god except He. He will surely summon you on the Day of Resurrection - the inevitable day. Whose narration is more truthful than GOD's?
[4:88] Why should you divide yourselves into two groups regarding hypocrites (among you)? GOD is the one who condemned them because of their own behavior. Do you want to guide those who are sent astray by GOD? Whomever GOD sends astray, you can never find a way to guide them.
[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.
[4:90] Exempted are those who join people with whom you have signed a peace treaty, and those who come to you wishing not to fight you, nor fight their relatives. Had GOD willed, He could have permitted them to fight against you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.
[4:91] You will find others who wish to make peace with you, and also with their people. However, as soon as war erupts, they fight against you. Unless these people leave you alone, offer you peace, and stop fighting you, you may fight them when you encounter them. Against these, we give you a clear authorization.
Looking at the next verse(verse 90) alone is sufficient actually:
[4:90] Exempted are those who join people with whom you have signed a peace treaty, and those who come to you wishing not to fight you, nor fight their relatives. Had GOD willed, He could have permitted them to fight against you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.
Islam is religion of peace indeed.If the non believers do not wish to fight then it is even forbidden for Muslims to even fight them let alone striking their heads.However if they are dangerous towards Islam and Muslims,and threaten Islam Allah gives His permission for killing those enemy of Islam.
Islam never attacks but only defences.
And from the verse 82 and 83, Allah has reminded those who believe that there are definitely no contradictions in Al-Quran like in other'Holy books' which are not the real words of God for they have been altered by the Irresposible parties.And this non believers are also quick in spreading rumors without knowing the truth and without referring the to teaching of Allah's last Messenger prophet Muhammad or those who understand.(like what has been happening to FITNA)
Verse 86 even teaches believers to the way to greet people.What a wonderful and complete religion Islam is.
Verse 88 reminds believers of importance of Unity. Allah also says that some people who have lots of dirt in their heart will not accept the truth and the teachings of Islam.This people Allay leaves them to remain in astray (may us be not among them) and even if the Islamic teaching reaches them it will not be fruitful as Allah has closed their hearts from accepting the truth.THESE ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE KILLED IF EVER A WAR OCCUR BETWEEN THOSE TWO(believers and non believers) and THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT A MUSLIM SHOULD NEVER REGARD AS FRIENDS AS THEY CLEARLY HATE ISLAM AND ARE THE ENEMY OF ISLAM.
Islam is not cruel at all.It Is a religion that loves peace.
As for us Muslims,we already know that the enemy of Islam will always find ways to defeat Islam.
If Islam forbid gay,there are reasons for it.If Islam forbid adultery there are reasons for it.
We Muslims believe that Allah is our creator and one day we will go back to our Creator.
He has given us many guidance on how to live in this world peacefully according to His laws and of course He has the rights to punish us for after He has given a lots of signs and revelations yet we still disobey Him.
For non Muslims,it is never wrong to practice your religion but still it is not wrong if you study about Islam and Al-Quran and then choose.Allah has given His guidance yet the choice is yours.
About the pictures and videos that were shown in fitna i need not comment a lot about that for people can take a bit of this and of that to produce falsehood or anything that they wished to produce.
Fitna will eventually become one of the reasons why more and more people converts to Islam.
Now i have done my part and i leave the rest for you to think.
All the goodness came from Allah and all the mistakes are due to my own weakness.
Peace be upon you.
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Fitna is the Zionist's 'The Eternal Jew'.
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Wed, 02/04/2008 - 14:22.Fitna is the Zionist's 'The Eternal Jew'. You have to understand that 'Free speech' is Zionists criticising anyone they like, and 'Hate speech' is anyone criticising Zionists. Zionists like to have it both ways.
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THE KORAN IS DIRECTLY BEHIND MOST OF THE TERROR ATTACKS!!!
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Fri, 28/03/2008 - 20:51.Mr. Eldin, do you live in another planet? It has been proven by many attacks that the 9/11 terrorists were ALL strongly motivated by the Koran and especially the parts that promote terrorism! Hello, guy, it is a fact! Do you know what a fact is?!!
Read the books by Robert Spencer and he even states all the passages from the Koran that promotes hatred, terrorism, and anti-semitism.
With your background, it is not surprising that you give the dishonest remarks that you give!!
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THE ISLAM IS DIRECTLY BEHIND ALL OF THE SUCCESS
Submitted by MOHAMMAD A. ELABD (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 18:50.Mr. Anonyme, In this planet (where do you live) the Islam has the highest rate in increasing of the number of people who revert to this religion in the world (this planet):
{In US http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/2PS2creVhaM }
{In German http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/34kjurzK500 }
{In Denmark http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/kru6XQ8CT48 }
{In Venezuela http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/1XyrxzQIN9w }
{In Science http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/uP-2IqH_l4c }
{Even Jewish http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/KcBiJnLjwVw }
Search youtube for more movies on new moslems
Why? Do you know why? PLEASE don't tell me that they were forced to be moslems by force, by sward or by fear as America is the largest military superpower in this PLANET today do you want to know why? revise the following link
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/E6K0627FiCk
the new Moslems has been changed after their Islam
www.youtube.com/watch/v/IlOuITPE6kE
Some Last questions are waiting for your answers, Mr Anonyme:
1). Why didn't you say that the crimes of Hitler and Mussolini were made because of direct influence from the Bible?
2). Why the western media says (about the Moslem scientists who had Nobel prizes) that "Dr. Abdus Salam" is Pakistani and "Dr. Zewail" is Egyptian on the other hand they says that "Binladen" is Moslem? why do they call the good guys by nationality and bad guys by religion ONLY if they were Moslems?
3). What do YOU (not your leader) know about Islamic history? Islamic origination? Prophet of Islam? Non-moslems under the Islamic rules? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ISLAM? and WHAT ARE YOUR REFERENCES?
Last advices:
1). Don't depend on one source of information (I mean one writer or one lobby) to build your point of view, but search for all the spectrum of points of view to build your own one
Search for the documented facts and trusted web sites
2). Don't ever never mix between opinion and fact, (Do you know what a fact is?!!)
3). When I need to know about new culture to me (like the Japanese culture) I depend mainly on their documented translated references to any language I use, because they are people who made this culture so they are the most abstract source of data I need about them
Please read the translated Islamic references (Mainly the KORAN) to know about Islam as the abstract references are necessary to build your (background, it is not surprising that you give the dishonest remarks that you give!!)
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Hello! at least support your
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 10:21.Hello! at least support your point and tell us where in the Kora it is stated, which section or Soura, they promote in terorism!!!!!!!
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Watch the movie, it does it
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 23:17.Watch the movie, it does it for you.
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i don't know why i can't see the movie.........
Submitted by sakira (not verified) on Thu, 03/04/2008 - 08:54.i have no comment becouse i haven't see the movie......... so NO COMMENT.
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I'm a moslem from Indonesia.
Submitted by ELDO (not verified) on Sat, 29/03/2008 - 11:45.I'm a moslem from Indonesia. I know that Islam has strict rule. But, in order to live among other people, Al Qur'an said " Lakum dinukum Waliyadin", it mean "You believe yours and I believe mine". I disagree with 9/11 action and the 9/11 tragedy wouldn't be happen if US did the right thing for moslem people in Bosnia, Palestine, Iraq, Iran etc.
I realize there are some radical moslems who have their own way. Al Qur'an (Koran) doesn't teach commite suicidal bombing but they did, wrong interpretation. Islam doesn't teach to kill Jews or other people. To kill someone who do wrong to your
believing is different. If do you think that a majority of moslem proud of them, you are
wrong. Indonesian Moslem disagree with smiling bomber team in Bali, cos it was not the right way to show the way of Islam. Islam loves peace, loves freedom, good freedom, not unlimited freedom.
A high increasing moslem people in USA and Europe is a fact "Islam is the right way". I believe what Wilders does, will make a lot of people learn more about Islam. Thanks Wilders.
In the end, Mr. Eldin and other people who hate Islam because of bombing action, believe me that I will refuse to be a moslem if "brutal" bombing action is an action to show the right way. Once again, Koran doesn't teach that. Phropet Mohammed didn't kill his own uncle eventhough he didn't believe Islam.
P.S. to Wilders :
Don't take a sentence from Koran, there is a connection with the some sentences before. And I think you know that. "E L D O".
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Let see some more of that "
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 23:09.Let see some more of that " Lakum dinukum Waliyadin", it mean "You believe yours and I believe mine" in action please. Truly i beg you. Islam is not superior to any other religion, so get off your high horses and you believe yours, i believe mine.
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Why don't you dare
Submitted by surya (not verified) on Tue, 01/04/2008 - 01:02.Why don't you dare by hiding your name ... Show up man. if you're really man or brave people to talk. ....
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The fitna is not a fairy
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Fri, 28/03/2008 - 17:49.The fitna is not a fairy tale...
Its a reality. No single sentence was made up. Everything was taken from the quran. The head that was cut off, the man that jumped from wtc, the woman that was gunned. Nothing was animation. It all happened because of quran.
The religion which roots from quran and quran which roots from hate is all evil. the whole religion is evil. If not then give one example that islam has done good to the humanity.
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islam is the best for humanity
Submitted by mostafa reda (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 04:51.my dear brother or sister.
islam is actually the best ay for humanity and nothing else is.its just that you dont have any knowledge about it except of what you read from the anti islamist.
thanks wilders thanks for the danish junk as well.they are all promoting islam indirectly.people will get curious to read it and when they read thats it they will convert as thousands are doing.
i am not gonna go about the bible but i read the whole bible and what wilders did is that he took just phrases out of the HOLY quran and he made it out of context.
in the bible as well i remember reading (kill every one dont let anyone alive even kids and old people and women and even kill the animals ,and that was in the old testament i was shocked because in the HOLY quran (only in the time of battle) we
do the same except for killing of the innocents and it says also if one of the worriers asked for mercy take him to a safe place because he dosnt know.
you know why islam is far more merciful than this retarded wilders
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What islam SAYS and what
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 23:12.What islam SAYS and what islam DOES are 2 diffenrt things. The problems the world has with Islam is shown in your statements. "slam is actually the best ay for humanity and nothing else is". Arrogant, self centered, and stupid frankly. Get over yourself, and stay in your muslims country with your muslim technology ( what those are i have no idea since y'all have not made shit in 900 years). No one wants u in thier country, and you dont want any others in your country. As another muslims above u posted. you believe yours i'll believe mine. You Supremest.
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agreee....
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Sun, 30/03/2008 - 16:22.islam is the ideology masking in religion, it,s as bad as naziism n facism...it's not about freedom n peace at all... :(
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you got that right!!!
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 10:22.you got that right!!!
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Islam requires victims
Submitted by haji zakir (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 03:09.Islam's message is limited to its believers. Islam has no universal message. Literal Islam is the eternal aggressor that pretends to be the perennial victim. The only choice that non-believers have, according to Islamic doctrine, is to convert, or submit and become dhimmis - subjugated under Islamic restrictions - or be annihilated.
For Muslims, peace means an alliance against the “unbelievers”, and whatever passes for love among them is only possible between members of their own cult.
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Muslims need help to get out of Islam
Submitted by haji zakir (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 03:25.Since Islam has never been able to produce a single academic achievement, a scientific breakthrough, a single technological advancement, free society, the protection of human rights, a democracy, or a prosperous economy, we are compelled to investigate the one thing it has succeeded in [doing] perpetrating terror.
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islam is the best for humanity
Submitted by mostafa (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 04:55.are you stupid or somthing.what you live in now in technology is taken from the islamic civlization.the west built everything on it.it seems that you are a pure ignorant.
allah will keep his word even if the kafeers like you want to dimolish it
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How is Electricity from
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 23:15.How is Electricity from ISlam? Islam got its shit from teh Romans and greeks it conquered or from teh Chinese. Westeners invented modern medicine, population graphs show how when Western medicines were introduced populations sky rocketed around the world. Computeres, internet, Space travel, the power of the atom, the use for oil, take a look around you, at your mosque, see that Dome? The West invented it. Get off your high horse, islam has 0, ZERO, none, zip nada, to add ot the scientifci world. Where was Islam during the enlightenment? During the Industrial revolution? right where it is today, in a cave copying westerners, just like he muslims did 1400 years ago when u took over byzantine lands.
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Islam requires victims
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 03:20.Since Islam has never been able to produce a single academic achievement, a scientific breakthrough, a single technological advancement, free society, the protection of human rights, a democracy, or a prosperous economy, we are compelled to investigate the one thing it has succeeded in [doing] perpetrating terror.
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SUCCESSFUL ARAB ECONOMIES
Submitted by KADS (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 08:45.For the comment that Islam has never produced a successful economy that is totally false.
Untied Arab Emirates is a clear example of an Islamic country with a giant economy, running one of the few profit making fully government owed airline and other great businesses.
Please do research well before going public
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Its based off Oil, and
Submitted by Anonyme (not verified) on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 23:16.Its based off Oil, and Western economic policies. OPEC for example, is part of thier economic structure, was not created until some Saudi Princes went to Harvard, and the idea of a monopoly with political implications was created.
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Morons !
Submitted by John (not verified) on Mon, 07/04/2008 - 00:34.I suggest you read this page you ignorant punks :
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/20/014.html
This is only a small glimpse of the total islamic/arabic contributions to the modern science .. during an era when your ancestorswere living in muds and caves killing each other like crazy pigs .
Apparently you have never been to school .. it's also clear that you aren't reading anykind of books and aren't any educated in any way .
You just set in front of your computer .. chatting like a pig , then you forget the whole thing and begin searching for some porn .
Good for you gooffie !
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