Protests in Greece: who are the rioters?

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The media have been flooded by images of violent clashes between Greek protestors and police forces since Saturday. Yet, the students who organised the initial protests claim that they are not behind the violence. So who are the hooded youths that were seen throwing marble blocks on firemen?

Over the past four days, throngs of demonstrators have paraded along the streets of several major Greek cities, in a show of support for a teenager shot by a policeman. Towards the end of the processions, the same type of incidents take place over and over again: small groups of rioters pull away from the crowd and vandalise cars, shop fronts, banks, and doorways. Who exactly are these vandals? Our Observers tell us what they think.

"We're overwhelmed by weirdos"

Zoé Kazakis, 22, is an economics student in Athens. She is in charge of coordinating the protests between her university and other schools. Also read her previous testimony on student mobilisation.

We're overwhelmed by weirdos, guys who are not students and who act violently during our protests. They're the ones who throw marble blocks on the police and firemen.

This morning, I went to the Polytechnic school, where the protests started. There were no more students there, but weird guys setting fire to things. When I asked them who they were, they told me to get lost. I wonder who those rioters are. I even wonder whether they haven't been paid by the government to make the protests get out of hand.

We students are non violent, we marched alongside our teachers; my parents and grand-parents will join us tomorrow in the street during the nationwide general strike."

"Kids imitating what they see in Athens"

Greg Manset directs the Internet portal www.categorynet.com. He's Belgian but has lived in Crete for several years.

The riots have spread to the whole country. I spent last night with rioters from the small Cretan town of Chania. Here the protesters aren't students. They're just kids imitating what is going on in Athens, plus some adults from underprivileged social classes. I met one factory worker, for example, who had joined the protests just to try to steal stuff.

I didn't see a single police officer all night, except when the rioters set fire to the courthouse. The rioters ravaged all of the town's banks, as well as some shops. They weren't trying to loot anything in particular, just to destroy what they can.

Foreign media seem to think that these riots are an isolated incident. That's not true. Greece has been particularly hard hit by the financial crisis, and protests are frequent. Not a week goes by without a strike breaking out."

"There are Trotskyites, Maoists and even religious fundamentalists in this movement"

Georges Prevelakis is a professor of European and Eastern Mediterranean Geopolitics at the Sorbonne university in Paris.

The anarchist movement in Greece isn't very significant. Behind this movement is the myth of the 1973 revolution, launched by activists in the Polytechnic school of Athens. But today this protest movement is mixed : there are Trotskyites, Maoists and even religious fundamentalists.

I was part of the 1973 student revolt: we demanded democracy and free access to education. Today political groups control the protests- the same thing happened with the November 17th terrorist movement.

Today the anarchist groups are solid because they're based in a specific territory. They're grouped around the Polytechnic school and all it takes is for a police vehicle to patrol the zone for violence to erupt. When there are open clashes, they barricade themselves in the school, then attack when things grow calmer. The neighbourhood is completely lawless and police have no authority there, and that's nothing new."

"These groups are infiltrated by policemen"

Craig Wherlock is an English teacher in Thessaloniki. He writes and publishes photos on the blog Teacher Dude.

There are 5 or 6 sites in Thessaloniki squatted by autonomist groups. They're very active. You find members of the most extremist groups, like the Black Bloc (libertarian militants) in the protests, but also left-wing groups that all more or less prone violence. Today, they all marched together, but often certain factions break away because they don't want to participate in the clashes and the vandalism.

These anarchists are clearly targeting banks and civil service offices. They haven't vandalized small stores yet, but at least 15 banks have been targeted.

I know these groups are infiltrated by cops. In 2007, I even took photos of undercover cops in a pacifist rally. But they don't care about being infiltrated. That doesn't stop them from doing what they want to do."

Posted on Indymedia. In Iraklio, Crete.

Posted on Indymedia. In Iraklio, Crete.

© MurpleJane on Flickr. Athens, last week end.

© MurpleJane on Flickr. Athens, last week end.

 

© Greg Manset. La Canee, Crete, yesterday night.

© Greg Manset. La Canee, Crete, yesterday night.

Comments

I'm sorry to say but the

I'm sorry to say but the mainstream press coverage, reflected in most comments, is horrible. You've stuck with the vandalisms (limited practically in Athens and Thessaloniki, targeting overwhelmingly banks and multinationals) and you've missed the real issues.
It's not really a movement (yet), it is not the paranoid act of either some spoiled brats or some anarchist bombers living in somekind of 19th Century utopia or some thugs who don't need any excuse to loot. It's all this AND a massive mobilization of youngsters (starting from 12-13 years old in some cases). I guess the foreign media don't show you the hundred daily protests, marches, sit-ins, rallies etc that take place peacefully (when not provoked by our beloved police who's already used 4.5 tons of tear gas - must be a WR!). For the time being it has been a long-due explosion of rage, proteic and irrational. Don't expect the mass to behave, don't look for political correctness from an angry mob. Moreover it's a complex social phenomenon than a mere question of public order. I have no clear answers, I'm still trying to figure out what happened.
Still, I can assure you the people engaged in somekind of violence (starting from throwing eggs or stones to the police) were not the few hundreds hooded anarchists, the so-called "known-unknown" of downtown Athens. To my great astonishment I've been told by people I never expected to be keen to this kind of activities stuff like "I'm going to clash with the cops" etc. The professional rioters were the protagonists of the first hours, but what happened next wasn't their work, let's be clear about it. This is a convenient mythThere is no anarchist underground in places you've never heard before, such as Kozani or Mytilini. . The truth is that there's something rotten in the kingdom of Denmark (or the Hellenic Republic) to push 15 year olds to besiege police stations. To reduce the whole thing into a chain of vandalisms by a bunch of thugs is a misunderstanding.
Of course, the murder of the child or the mounting police brutality was just the pretext, a detonator that led to serious, widespread outrage throughout the nation. What lies beneath is a chronic malaise and discontent, very vivid during the last years, particularly amongst younder generations. Please take in consideration what an explosive mix can create the conviction that "this is the first generation that will live worst than its parents" (repeated various times in Greece), an approaching economic crisis, economic conditions where wages stay low while prices have overriden the Europe Union average, the desesperation and angst of the "generation of 700 euros", a corrupt and clientelist political and party system, a scandal-striken government, a failed educational system, wide-spread lack of belief in the system (including among people shocked by the extent of violence), a culture of symbolic and material violence, feelings of nihilism among the younger generations, the existence of radical groups experienced in subversive action etc.
I hope that all this rage will be channeled into some kind of grass-root mass movement to empower younger generations that would push for serious reforms. If we, in Greece or elsewhere, continue to speak exclusively about a bunch of irreverent hooligans just to show our horror that "BSB", "Zara" or "Starbucks" were burnt down, we will miss the reality of a growing discontent.
Maybe that's "all Greek to you", maybe it won't be in the near future.

PS I'm Greek, I don't support violence, I consider protest a necessity in these times, I try to understand what's going on.

Rioters in Chania STOP STOP STOP!!

STOP destroying your beautiful Chania!!
STOP destroying what your parents have done so far .. build on your democracy and improve your processes by free collective popular means.
STOP been fulls and STOP following the mob..
greek concerned living in the uk

Who are the rioters?

Maybe they are people who don't like it when the police shoot dead and 16 year old boy.
Rock on!

They are kids too young to

They are kids too young to drive so they burn other people's cars out of anger.
They are kids whose parents should spank them when they get home.
They are kids whose parents (Alex's included) should be arrested and fined for the damage caused by their spoiled children.
They are young adults who still live off their parents because they aren't mature enough to work a real job.
They are selfish people that have no respect for other people's property, because they have had everything given to them their whole life and have no idea what it is like to work over 40 hours a week for minimum wage.

I agree

This has gotten out of hand. That kid's death was unfortunate and wrong, but this violence and aggression is excessive. Don't want to get shot by police officers? Then don't provoke them for no reason with a large group of people at night; they have guns and you don't. Now a kid has died, for nothing, and there is further violence on top of it. Do these kids even know why they are rioting? Times are tough they say? Yea, they're tough for everyone everywhere right now. By destroying the cities, they aren't going to really help much. They should grow up and figure out how to help themselves, and stop this violence before there are more casualties. What a disgrace to Greece...

Solidarity!

Solidarity!

They are very selfish people

They are very selfish people that have no regard for other people's property, because they had everything given to them their entire life and have no idea what it is like to work for a living.

No solidarity!

Sorry, no solidarity for someone who hurls Molotov cocktails at policemen with nothing more but intent to seriously wound or kill!

Solidarity !

It is not riots... it is a rebellion for the deterioting conditions in Greece. It is young people fighting against brutal oppression that stole the life of a young boy. It is a fight for jobs, housing, healthcare. How soon we forget the Boston Tea Party (which was a riot). And all the other struggles for liberation and basic rights stolen by so many governments. When the government forgets about the people eventually the people will fight back..

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